would you have supported the North or South?

Also, I would have loved to been in General Robert E. Lee's and General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson's brigades because they both were badasses. :D


The only man who could have won the war for the South was Nathan Bedford Forrest. Everyone else was second rate.
 
I definitely would have supported the South simply because of the unconstitutional tyranny emanating from the North. Also, I would have loved to been in General Robert E. Lee's and General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson's brigades because they both were badasses. :D

If the good Lord blesses me with another, my next son's name will be "Thomas Jackson". :D
 
Cool! A personal enrichment question.

disclaimer: I am not a racist nor do I supported involunitary servitude (slavery) however as we all know the civil war had many complex issues below the surface.

quite simply, who would you have supported and why?

disclaimer: I too am not a racist having owned a black dog. Also, it is believed that one of my grandmother's pedigree may have been part Jewish. Plus I was a sophisticated student once who attended a University.

Okay. This answer will take many parts.

Part 1. This first part deals with the Puritan socio-economic cultural aspects woven into the fabric of the American way. The early American settlers ancestors did not know how to farm, they having crossed the ocean as artisans and master craftsmen.
This is why early Americans almost starved. Farming was thought to be menial labor beneath the dignity of most who desired to rise in social ranking. Ironically, it wasn't the growing of food that saved the early settlers but the growing of tobacco. They learned to grow the tobacco to trade for food.

The solution which enabled the artisan and master craftsman to take up a life of farming? The Puritan work ethic. Work oneself to death.

Next: Part 2 to this fascinating personal enrichment question.
 
I'd have headed West. Both sides were in the wrong. Slavery was BS, but so was the idea that states couldnt leave the Union if they wanted to.

I wouldnt have signed up to die for either concept.
 
I'd have headed West. Both sides were in the wrong. Slavery was BS, but so was the idea that states couldnt leave the Union if they wanted to.

I wouldnt have signed up to die for either concept.

How is that monolithic federal government treating the western states these days?
Can you still go furthur west to avoid it?
Or has it pushed freedom completely into the pacific?
 
Not only did the south have the moral and constitutional high ground. They clearly repelled everything the north was able to initially muster. The war did not turn against the south until they became the aggressor.

When did they become the aggressor? I think you are confusing aggression, which is a political or social tool to force some person or entity to do something that is beyond your rights, and offensive military tactics, which are simply a tactic used to defeat your enemy military, whether you are aggressive or not in doing so depends entirely on what your objectives are in the war. The South's goal in invading the North was to force them to recognize the independence of their sovereign states, a goal which is entirely within their right and therefore, despite the fact that they were using invasion as a military means to their political end, they were not committing aggression.

Separately, you can fight a defensive war on your own soil and be the aggressor. Hitler is a prime example, even though his troops were fighting for their own soil in Western Germany, he was the aggressor because six years earlier he invaded another sovereign country with the goal of conquering it, (obviously) outside of his rights, and then he proceeded two years after that invasion to declare war against the United States despite the fact that they had not committed any aggression against Germany.
 
I would be in support of the north. We tried to kill off the idea of an aristocracy in 1776 and it survived in the south through the institution of slavery. Although I do not like Lincoln, I hate slavery even more. In fact, I probably would have fought with John Brown, or I would have done John Brown like missions where I would have gone around murdering lazy, fat-ass, scum-fucking slave owners. If it takes a war of aggression to end a practice that was not only embarassing, but also fundamentally racist and contradictory to the principles of liberty, then so be it.
 
I would be in support of the north. We tried to kill off the idea of an aristocracy in 1776 and it survived in the south through the institution of slavery. Although I do not like Lincoln, I hate slavery even more. In fact, I probably would have fought with John Brown, or I would have done John Brown like missions where I would have gone around murdering lazy, fat-ass, scum-fucking slave owners. If it takes a war of aggression to end a practice that was not only embarassing, but also fundamentally racist and contradictory to the principles of liberty, then so be it.
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Gosh, that's not a very nice way to go about it! :( I don't think RP would approve.
 
The South had almost no social infrastructure. All of it's trade was import/export with Europe. Few business people holding vast lots of acreage of cotton & tobacco. Cheap labor. But, as many have observed, slavery was not the real issue. Probably more like unwanted tariffs. I have heard the argument that technology would have replaced the need for slave labor. As unfortunate as slavery was, perhaps the states would have evolved.
 
I would be in support of the north. We tried to kill off the idea of an aristocracy in 1776 and it survived in the south through the institution of slavery. Although I do not like Lincoln, I hate slavery even more. In fact, I probably would have fought with John Brown, or I would have done John Brown like missions where I would have gone around murdering lazy, fat-ass, scum-fucking slave owners. If it takes a war of aggression to end a practice that was not only embarassing, but also fundamentally racist and contradictory to the principles of liberty, then so be it.

Because violence is always the way to solve social ills. Slavery would have died in the South over time anyway, probably by the turn of the century, maybe a little bit after. Instead of that, they got a massive invasion which freed slaves who were not ready to be free in a land where all the wealth had been burned to the ground, forcing the slaves (and some whites) to become roving bandits stealing for a living, which caused tension between the races that led to segregation and racism the likes had only before been seen in the North. One of the reasons why Southerners did not free the slaves in 1832 after Nat Turner's rebellion was because the only real option was to colonize the slaves, and they didn't do that because a bond of affection had developed in between the master and slave.
 
I would have to choose the south over the north, only because we have all the guns down here, lol...

The south was pretty rebelious until the government started putting crap in our food and our prescriptions. Now most of the oldtimers I meet, look much like a stepford wife; totally bombed out and incoherent.
 
Some of my family are cherokee from fort smith, ark and del city, ok.
Those natives also fought with the south and for similar reasons as I state above.
The federal government is the one who drug them from their homes and put them on the reservations.

my gggrandfather was a Blackfoot Indian in Alabama who fought in the Civil War for the South
 
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