Would you be interested in moving to free up a city in a warm climate?

[RevolutionSD]

I mentioned this on another thread, but wanted to gauge interest here.

We were discussing out here in Southern California all the many problems with the FSP, including large geographical area, crap weather, steeped in north eastern traditionalism, etc. So why not start a little smaller in a more desirable place, and start a "Free City" project where the goal is to create a voluntary society?

I'm thinking of a city in SoCal with a population of around 20k or so, either on or not far from the beach, where the political climate is not extreme right or left.

Actions would involve exposing the bureaucrats through a free media outlet, along with some targeted civil disobedience.

Would you be interested in moving for something like this?

 

[RideTheDirt]

I mentioned this on another thread, but wanted to gauge interest here.

We were discussing out here in Southern California all the many problems with the FSP, including large geographical area, crap weather, steeped in north eastern traditionalism, etc. So why not start a little smaller in a more desirable place, and start a "Free City" project where the goal is to create a voluntary society?

I'm thinking of a city in SoCal with a population of around 20k or so, either on or not far from the beach, where the political climate is not extreme right or left.

Actions would involve exposing the bureaucrats through a free media outlet, along with some targeted civil disobedience.

Would you be interested in moving for something like this?

I live in escondido, our police don't give a shit about the constitution, they pretty much told me so. We have "driver's liscence checkpoints.

Where do you propose we take over? I am very open to this idea.

 

[brandon]

Why California?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I mentioned this on another thread, but wanted to gauge interest here.

We were discussing out here in Southern California all the many problems with the FSP, including large geographical area, crap weather, steeped in north eastern traditionalism, etc. So why not start a little smaller in a more desirable place, and start a "Free City" project where the goal is to create a voluntary society?

I'm thinking of a city in SoCal with a population of around 20k or so, either on or not far from the beach, where the political climate is not extreme right or left.

Actions would involve exposing the bureaucrats through a free media outlet, along with some targeted civil disobedience.

Would you be interested in moving for something like this?

SoCal is too close to the border, and it's a breeding ground for the Feds who supposedly guard the border. (making it easy for them to round up Free staters) California is also an economic disaster, thanks to their Government. If you can take care of that, I think NorCal would be more enjoyable for me. (it's not a long move either-only over the State line from AZ )

 

[dannno]

How about somewhere near Los Osos? It's not so cal, but it's close and I don't think you'll find what you're looking for in so cal.

The other alternative would be northern california..

 

[acptulsa]

Why California?

That's like storming a place by picking the very highest point on the fence surrounding it to climb, instead of finding the lowest. It'll take you years just to get to where Tulsa is today.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Why California?

Good question. Here's our reasoning:

1) The West is much more about moving here and starting new than the East and especially the North East. There isn't much traditionalism here like there is in New Hampshire. Despite Calyfornia's insane political climate, there are more entrepreneurs here per capita than any other state.

2) We are not trying to free up the whole state, just a small city. It's not an easy task, but still easier than what they are trying to do in NH.

3) The weather is much preferable here than NH. For me, moving to NH would be a huge decline in my lifestyle, therefore, I have no interest in moving there. I think Southern CA would be much more attractive to liberty activisits.

4) Believe it or not, we have a good-sized libertarian community here already, including a good group of voluntaryist/anarcho-capitalists who "get it". Of course we are still surrounded by statists, just like everywhere else, but you have to start somehwere.

5) We're not trying to change people's minds through politics, so it's irrelevant how socialist the politicians are out here. In fact, it may work to our advantage the fact that we are the most socialist state in the union. You can see blatantly how it fails, time after time.

 

[RevolutionSD]

That's like storming a place by picking the very highest point on the fence surrounding it to climb, instead of finding the lowest. It'll take you years just to get to where Tulsa is today.

No, I don't agree. Tulsa is still a city run by bureaucrats, who have their own best interest in mind and not the people's. We are not shooting for a city with "smaller government", our goal would be to change the very meme of government and how people view it.

 

[constituent]

Sounds like a good idea.

I'd consider starting a corporation to do it though.

Good luck.

 

[acptulsa]

No, I don't agree. Tulsa is still a city run by bureaucrats, who have their own best interest in mind and not the people's. We are not shooting for a city with "smaller government", our goal would be to change the very meme of government and how people view it.

I was actually thinking of the state interference, not the relative merits of the cities. Anywhere under the thumb of Sacramento you've got a hell of a monkey on your back, just as you would anywhere under the control of Albany or Harrisburg. The whole rest of the West is full of states that would be a major improvement.

 

[paulitics]

Good question. Here's our reasoning:

1) The West is much more about moving here and starting new than the East and especially the North East. There isn't much traditionalism here like there is in New Hampshire. Despite Calyfornia's insane political climate, there are more entrepreneurs here per capita than any other state.

2) We are not trying to free up the whole state, just a small city. It's not an easy task, but still easier than what they are trying to do in NH.

3) The weather is much preferable here than NH. For me, moving to NH would be a huge decline in my lifestyle, therefore, I have no interest in moving there. I think Southern CA would be much more attractive to liberty activisits.

4) Believe it or not, we have a good-sized libertarian community here already, including a good group of voluntaryist/anarcho-capitalists who "get it". Of course we are still surrounded by statists, just like everywhere else, but you have to start somehwere.

5) We're not trying to change people's minds through politics, so it's irrelevant how socialist the politicians are out here. In fact, it may work to our advantage the fact that we are the most socialist state in the union. You can see blatantly how it fails, time after time.

Taxes are outrageous, and the state is bankrupt. California was benefiting off being a Chinese import hub, and was the reason why the economy was so strong. This is ending, because Texas is going to take its place.

Keep in mind worst case scenario of economic calamity or terrorist attack. California will likely be completely under military control as soon as SHTF or there is a terrorist attack.

 

[tremendoustie]

NH is one of the most beautiful states in the union, and I've lived both there and in SoCal! Y'all are silly.

 

[tremendoustie]

A few NH pics, just for reference

 

[RevolutionSD]

I was actually thinking of the state interference, not the relative merits of the cities. Anywhere under the thumb of Sacramento you've got a hell of a monkey on your back, just as you would anywhere under the control of Albany or Harrisburg. The whole rest of the West is full of states that would be a major improvement.

It's really not about the state gov't though. We're talking about changing the ideas in a relatively small community, and not even tackling the nonsense of the state.

What is your opinion about the FSP in NH?

 

[RevolutionSD]

Taxes are outrageous, and the state is bankrupt. California was benefiting off being a Chinese import hub, and was the reason why the economy was so strong. This is ending, because Texas is going to take its place.

Keep in mind worst case scenario of economic calamity or terrorist attack. California will likely be completely under military control as soon as SHTF or there is a terrorist attack.

You're right, but despite all that, people continue to move to CA above any other state, including Texas, to start over and make a new life for themselves. CA's socialist gov't is not a good reason to not attempt a free city project within the state.

Again, we're not trying to change the whole state or challenge the state government, we're just shooting for changing ideas in a relatively small community that may be a better place to begin than NH for all the reasons I listed.

 

[acptulsa]

It's really not about the state gov't though. We're talking about changing the ideas in a relatively small community, and not even tackling the nonsense of the state.

What is your opinion about the FSP in NH?

Well, I still don't know why you'd do it in one of the five (three?) most anti-libertarian, big-state-government states in the whole Union.

And I don't know if New Hampshire is really the right place for it, but it's an interesting idea.

 

[RevolutionSD]

A few NH pics, just for reference

This isn't a beauty contest. I could show you pics of the CA coastline that are breathtaking, but that has nothing to do with the Free City idea.

Warm weather, however, is definitely a benefit in recruiting activists (along with the other reasons I listed).

 

[krazy kaju]

My biggest problem with FSP is the crappy weather. I've lived in Michigan my whole life, and I just won't be able to take high humidity, cold weather, and the horrible allergy season any longer. I'm more interested in moving to New Mexico or Arizona, since any libertarian movement there would have greater pull than in California or Texas.

 

[cheapseats]

Yes.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Well, I still don't know why you'd do it in one of the five (three?) most anti-libertarian, big-state-government states in the whole Union.

And I don't know if New Hampshire is really the right place for it, but it's an interesting idea.

I guess you didn't read the post where I explained that? Keep in mind the government and the people are NOT the same thing. And there's a huge difference between political attitudes among people in various parts of the state (i.e. i would not recommend doing a free city project in say SF, but smaller, less politically-charged communities are ripe for it).

Also keep in mind that the majority of people in ANY community are apathetic and do not even vote.