World War II

Another Hitler fairy tale debunked.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Hitler-did-shake-hands-with-Jesse-Owens.html

Adolf Hitler 'did shake hands with Jesse Owens'
A veteran German sports reporter has claimed that Adolf Hitler did in fact shake hands with black US athlete Jesse Owens at the 1936 Berlin Olympics.

Published: 7:03AM BST 11 Aug 2009

Jesse Owens: Owens felt the newspapers of the day reported 'unfairly' on Hitler's attitude towards him,
At the time, it was reported that Hitler had stormed out of the stadium furious that Owens, who had just run his way to the first of four gold medals in the 100 metres, had beaten his Aryan sportsmen.

However, Siegfried Mischner, 83, said that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of Hitler shaking his hand before he left the stadium.

Mischner, who was a reporter at the time, claimed Owens showed him the photograph and told him: "That was one of my most beautiful moments."

He said: "It was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand.

"The predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens.

"We therefore decided not to report on the photo. The consensus was that Hitler had to continue to be painted in a bad light in relation to Owens."

Mischner's claims cannot be verified because all other witnesses, including Owens, are dead.

Owens, who died in 1980 aged 66, was the son of sharecroppers and won four track and field gold medals - the 100m, the long jump, the 200m and the relay race - at Berlin.

He insisted that he had not been snubbed by Hitler but made no reference to meeting him and shaking hands.

"When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticising the man of the hour in Germany," he said.
 
Ugh....

-People who are defending Hitler FUCK OFF
-People denying the Holocaust FUCK OFF

There is a debate to be had here, but you guys are ruining it. Why hasn't someone cracked down on the Jew-hating here? It gives Ron Paul a bad friggin name. Stormfront will be happy to have you.

Anyway, as for the original OP, those 50 million people were largely the result of the War's escalation. You phrase it as if Hitler and Hirohito killed 50 million people via genocide. And what do you mean by "cowardly"? I consider incinerating two cities with nuclear weapons pretty cowardly myself.
 
Another Hitler fairy tale debunked.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Hitler-did-shake-hands-with-Jesse-Owens.html

Adolf Hitler 'did shake hands with Jesse Owens'
A veteran German sports reporter has claimed that Adolf Hitler did in fact shake hands with black US athlete Jesse Owens at the 1936 Berlin Olympics.

Published: 7:03AM BST 11 Aug 2009

Jesse Owens: Owens felt the newspapers of the day reported 'unfairly' on Hitler's attitude towards him,
At the time, it was reported that Hitler had stormed out of the stadium furious that Owens, who had just run his way to the first of four gold medals in the 100 metres, had beaten his Aryan sportsmen.

However, Siegfried Mischner, 83, said that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of Hitler shaking his hand before he left the stadium.

Mischner, who was a reporter at the time, claimed Owens showed him the photograph and told him: "That was one of my most beautiful moments."

He said: "It was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand.

"The predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens.

"We therefore decided not to report on the photo. The consensus was that Hitler had to continue to be painted in a bad light in relation to Owens."

Mischner's claims cannot be verified because all other witnesses, including Owens, are dead.

Owens, who died in 1980 aged 66, was the son of sharecroppers and won four track and field gold medals - the 100m, the long jump, the 200m and the relay race - at Berlin.

He insisted that he had not been snubbed by Hitler but made no reference to meeting him and shaking hands.

"When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticising the man of the hour in Germany," he said.

Oh...I now feel so much better about Hitler. Even if it were true...so?
 
Another Hitler fairy tale debunked.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Hitler-did-shake-hands-with-Jesse-Owens.html

Adolf Hitler 'did shake hands with Jesse Owens'
A veteran German sports reporter has claimed that Adolf Hitler did in fact shake hands with black US athlete Jesse Owens at the 1936 Berlin Olympics.

Published: 7:03AM BST 11 Aug 2009

Jesse Owens: Owens felt the newspapers of the day reported 'unfairly' on Hitler's attitude towards him,
At the time, it was reported that Hitler had stormed out of the stadium furious that Owens, who had just run his way to the first of four gold medals in the 100 metres, had beaten his Aryan sportsmen.

However, Siegfried Mischner, 83, said that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of Hitler shaking his hand before he left the stadium.

Mischner, who was a reporter at the time, claimed Owens showed him the photograph and told him: "That was one of my most beautiful moments."

He said: "It was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand.

"The predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens.

"We therefore decided not to report on the photo. The consensus was that Hitler had to continue to be painted in a bad light in relation to Owens."

Mischner's claims cannot be verified because all other witnesses, including Owens, are dead.

Owens, who died in 1980 aged 66, was the son of sharecroppers and won four track and field gold medals - the 100m, the long jump, the 200m and the relay race - at Berlin.

He insisted that he had not been snubbed by Hitler but made no reference to meeting him and shaking hands.

"When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticising the man of the hour in Germany," he said.

Sofia....dude

Just stop.
 
Oh...I now feel so much better about Hitler. Even if it were true...so?

it proves that lies can easily become institutionalized. Why dismiss the possibility that everything we were taught in school about Hitler is all lies?

The fact that people here are telling me to fuck and acting as iff they want to lynch me is indictive of the level of emotion driven brainwashing...

exactly like Plato's allegory of the cave.

How many times have we been fed this crap about Hitler "storming out of the stadium" after Jesse Owens won?....How many people believe this?

So, is it not at least in the realm of possibity that other lies have been instilled in your head since early childhood...when your school first showed you a "holocaust" film?

YouTube - Charles Lindbergh's - September 11, 1941 Des Moines Speech
 
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World War 2 was a direct result of World War 1. World War 1 ended like it did because of US entering the war. Had we not entered the war, then the stand still that was going on would have never been broken. Russia would have remained strong enough to not fall to the Bolshevik revolution. Germany and Britain and France would have come to a peace agreement as equals rather than a surrender with a winner and a loser. Wilson did pretty much everything he could to get Germany to attack anything American so we could enter the war. He wanted to enter the war and win it so he could have a seat at the deal table.

Had we not entered into World War 2, the Nazi's and the Communists would have turned each other into piles of meat.

TLDR, no, as a nation we should have remained neutral, REAL neutral, not the neutral we were, which wasn't really neutral as we supplied Russia and Britain with large amounts of supplies. The government is obligated to defend this country, and this country alone. If a group of people want to band together and go fight on their own, that's their business and is always an option of course.
 
YouTube - Multiracial SS Waffen Army

Non whites fighting for white supremacy? Doesn't make sense....or maybe that is a lie and they all just wanted self rule?

"Pride in one's own race - and that does not imply contempt for other races - is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong."
http://www.radioislam.net/historia/hitler/testam/eng/testa.htm
 
World War 2 was a direct result of World War 1. World War 1 ended like it did because of US entering the war. Had we not entered the war, then the stand still that was going on would have never been broken. Russia would have remained strong enough to not fall to the Bolshevik revolution. Germany and Britain and France would have come to a peace agreement as equals rather than a surrender with a winner and a loser. Wilson did pretty much everything he could to get Germany to attack anything American so we could enter the war. He wanted to enter the war and win it so he could have a seat at the deal table.

Had we not entered into World War 2, the Nazi's and the Communists would have turned each other into piles of meat.

TLDR, no, as a nation we should have remained neutral, REAL neutral, not the neutral we were, which wasn't really neutral as we supplied Russia and Britain with large amounts of supplies. The government is obligated to defend this country, and this country alone. If a group of people want to band together and go fight on their own, that's their business and is always an option of course.

Problems in your analysis: The October Revolution had little to do with US intervention, and more to do with the crazy political and social situation at the time. After the Tsar left the throne, the Russian military collapsed. All that stood between the Germans and the capital Petrograd (St. Petersburg now and under the Tsars, Leningrad under the communists) when the communists started their take over were a few disheartened divisions who were in full retreat mode.

Russia would have been out of the war in any situation. The Central Powers would have won the war quite handily if it weren't for US intervention after the Russians surrendered. The only reason why they didn't win the war in early 1918 is because Ludendorff moved too late with his new men from the Russian front, and the United States Expeditionary Force arrived in force when the Germans were just miles from Paris.
 
I'm much less familiar with the reasons for Japan's aggression in WWII but we definitely laid the groundwork for Hitler to come into power. According to Wikipedia Japan was in need of natural resources, as they had little of their own, so if the US and other nations were limiting or refusing to trade with Japan that would be the perfect excuse for them to take the resources they needed by force.

When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will.
- Frederic Bastiat
 
I'm much less familiar with the reasons for Japan's aggression in WWII but we definitely laid the groundwork for Hitler to come into power. According to Wikipedia Japan was in need of natural resources, as they had little of their own, so if the US and other nations were limiting or refusing to trade with Japan that would be the perfect excuse for them to take the resources they needed by force.

When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will.
- Frederic Bastiat

The Japanese went to war with us because we had an oil embargo on them after they invaded China. Japan had been bent on empire ever since they came out of isolation, which was our doing (the coming out isolation, not necessarily imperial ambition). They fought on both sides of the European powers, basically in an effort to gain territory in the Pacific. They were allies in WWI to get control of German Pacific colonies. They gambled wrong in WWII though and picked the wrong side of the European conflict.
 
ever occur to you that the same global elites who LIED to you about Global Warming.....who LIED to you about the FED.....who LIED to you about WMD's......and so many other topics.......may have fudged the truth about WW2??

Remember...it was Hitler who dismantled Germany's FED and issued debt free currency.


There lies the rub!


Have you ever studied Hitler's economy? It was not free market....

Your statements lack practically all nuance whatsoever. Make an academic case for your claims, not sheer speculation (which I think an academic case would illustrate that this is the extent such a position can proceed). As it stands, I believe your claims are extremely absurd.
 
So the communist economy was free market? Or the US economy was or is?

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the Second World War was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit."
— Winston Churchill
 
Keep in mind that the US involvement in WWII involved allying with the Soviet Union. A point that Harry Browne would make is that though Western Europe was free after WWII ended, the US funded and armed the Soviet Union which spread communism after WWII into Eastern Europe, China, and Korea. That's a pretty damn big chunk of the world. Oh, and there was also that 50 year Cold War we had to contend with.

Where did the Soviets get their nukes from? This is a controversial subject, but you may be interested in the views of Major George Racey Jordan, author of "From Major Jordan's Diaries". He was a lend lease officer during WWII, and his first hand accounts of the items being transferred to the Soviet Union eventually led to this 1949 Time story in which Jordan is quoted as saying:
"It is now apparent that Harry Hopkins gave Russia the A-bomb on a platter," said Jordan.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,854011,00.html#ixzz0kCjMS6kQ

An article from 50 years later:
Unfortunately, later evidence proved Jordan’s charges correct: The Soviets had indeed been given large amounts of nuclear materials and had stolen documents by the planeload.
http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1999/8/1999_8_94.shtml

FDR blockaded Japan and seized Japanese financial assets. Had he not done that Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor and we could have stayed out of WWII. The Japanese were working on an atom bomb (perhaps w/ technology received from the Soviets?)
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20060804a2.html
and given that they already attacked us (albeit with provocation), I don't have an objection to the decision to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
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