World War II

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, but a corporation is a goverment sposered entity, in fact a corporation cannot exist without the government. Which flies right in the face of that arguement.

There is no argument.

I agree.

All I said is that "some would say".

I used an absurd statement to draw out the replies that I, in essence, agree with.

A dirty trick, I know.

 

[akforme]

We also got into WW1 so Wilson could bring the "league of Nations". Now at the time the war was pretty much in the trenches, and if a treaty had been made it would have been pretty fair. By America getting into WW1 we pushed the allies and the result was the treaty of Versailles Now say what you want, that led to the rise of hitler and stalin.

So maybe if America had minded it's own business a long time before WW2 might never have happened.


But aside from that,the truth is so hard to figure out around WW2 that I think arguments from both sides are valid. I have changed my view on ww2 since becoming libertarian. I no longer believe we needed to drop the bombs nor do I believe Perl Harbor was an un-provoked attacked. We were doing plenty of provoking.

 

[Slutter McGee]

The war would have ended in 1942. All Germany ever wanted was to reclaim its stolen territory and live in peace with UK

I am trying hard to refrain from insults. So I am going to tell you what you sound like rather than what you are. You sound like a wacked out, anti-semite. And I don't like it.

Its one thing to believe that we should not be funding the Jewish state, as I don't believe we should be funding ANY other state. Its another to defend a man who tried to fucking exterminate them. Seriously. You are fucking nuts.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

 

[sofia]

I am trying hard to refrain from insults. So I am going to tell you what you sound like rather than what you are. You sound like a wacked out, anti-semite. And I don't like it.

Its one thing to believe that we should not be funding the Jewish state, as I don't believe we should be funding ANY other state. Its another to defend a man who tried to fucking exterminate them. Seriously. You are fucking nuts.


Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

What evidence is there of this "extirmination"????

The only thing that those "gas chambers" exterminated was typhous spreading lice....

typhous killed millions of inmates as war conditions in bombed out Germany deteriorated...

The "extirmination" myth originated in a Soviet propaganda report released after the war ended.

 

[zade]

From Hitler's last testament just before taking his own life....

"It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the limitation and control of armaments, which posterity will not be cowardly enough always to disregard, for responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be placed on me. Nor have I ever wished that, after the appalling First World War, there would ever be a second against either England or America. Centuries will go by, but from the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred of those ultimately responsible will always grow anew against the people whom we have to thank for all this: international Jewry and its henchmen. "

Well if Hitler said that about the Jews it must be true.

 

[MLabreche]

I am trying hard to refrain from insults. So I am going to tell you what you sound like rather than what you are. You sound like a wacked out, anti-semite. And I don't like it.

Its one thing to believe that we should not be funding the Jewish state, as I don't believe we should be funding ANY other state. Its another to defend a man who tried to fucking exterminate them. Seriously. You are fucking nuts.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

It's kind of where I was leaning. Even if WW2 was basically our fault and if we didn't do everything in our power to make Japan attack us, should we have gone in anyway?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Aw shit...

Hot topics in three...two...one...

 

[nate895]

There would have been no WWII had there never been a WWI.

Wilsonian democratization had just as much to with it as FDR.

There would have been no WWII if the peace in WWI hadn't been so punitive towards the Central Powers.

Furthermore, the allies could have won the war in 1939 because they had over 100 full strength divisions on the western front, with many of those being mechanized, and all that stood between them and Berlin were 26 half-strength German divisions, very few of which were mechanized. Of course, the British and the French thought the whole war was a joke and sat around having tea, wine, and cheese parties among the top officer corps. Then they totally blew the Battle of France by literally falling for every trap Hitler setup. I mean, Hitler was so vulnerable in those early battles that if the allies hadn't danced right along with him the whole way.

 

[nate895]

What evidence is there of this "extirmination"????

The only thing that those "gas chambers" exterminated was typhous spreading lice....

typhous killed millions of inmates as war conditions in bombed out Germany deteriorated...

The "extirmination" myth originated in a Soviet propaganda report released after the war ended.

Really now? What about the millions of witnesses? Historically speaking, if we don't know the holocaust happened, then the Roman Empire is worst than a fairy tale.

 

[almantimes2]

Zero

 

[Imperial]

There would have been no WWII if the peace in WWI hadn't been so punitive towards the Central Powers.

I was about to post something similar to this. I would have supported intervention in WWII for the sole reason of the genocide of the Jews occurring. However, the key reason for WWII ever happening was because of World War I and our intervention in that war. We gave France and Britain the ability to land such a crushing defeat on Germany to make such horrible surrender conditions.

 

[Anti Federalist]

There would have been no WWII if the peace in WWI hadn't been so punitive towards the Central Powers.

Furthermore, the allies could have won the war in 1939 because they had over 100 full strength divisions on the western front, with many of those being mechanized, and all that stood between them and Berlin were 26 half-strength German divisions, very few of which were mechanized. Of course, the British and the French thought the whole war was a joke and sat around having tea, wine, and cheese parties among the top officer corps. Then they totally blew the Battle of France by literally falling for every trap Hitler setup. I mean, Hitler was so vulnerable in those early battles that if the allies hadn't danced right along with him the whole way.

Like so many stunning failures of government, ask yourself, honestly, is incompetence, sloth and boneheaded decision making really at fault here?

Or is there more to the picture?

 

[Slutter McGee]

What sucks is that this was a decent topic before people started coming in here and fucking defending Hitler.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

 

[nate895]

What evidence is there of this "extirmination"????
QUOTE]

How about the HUNDREDS of testimonials from holocaust survivors?

They are part of the evil Jewish conspiracy to overthrow the west and establish total dominion over our lives, don't you know?

 

[sofia]

What evidence is there of this "extirmination"????
QUOTE]

How about the HUNDREDS of testimonials from holocaust survivors?

hmmmmm

How exactly does one "survive" a gas chamber????

How do we account for these millions of "survivors?"...Doent that alone disprove the extirmination theory?......

They survived their stay in an INTERNMENT camp...not an extirmination camp.

 

[pcosmar]

I am trying hard to refrain from insults. So I am going to tell you what you sound like rather than what you are. You sound like a wacked out, anti-semite. And I don't like it.

Its one thing to believe that we should not be funding the Jewish state, as I don't believe we should be funding ANY other state. Its another to defend a man who tried to fucking exterminate them. Seriously. You are fucking nuts.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

I certainly don't defend Hitler,
But if it were not for Wilson dragging us into WWI and the Treaty of Versailles, nd the League of Nations (forerunner of the UN) Hitler would have been a no name nobody.
He would have never come to Power. Now when you add that several "interests" were activly funding him and aiding him. It does look suspicious.
That is in no way condoning him. Just rational observation.

 

[almantimes2]

hmmmmm

How exactly does one "survive" a gas chamber????

How do we account for these millions of "survivors?"...Doent that alone disprove the extirmination theory?......

They survived their stay in an INTERNMENT camp...not an extirmination camp.

They're in business reports of people selling crematoriums, German prison camp wardens sending pitching fits about the crematoriums not working as advertised. They're in German War Department memorandums detailing the gasketing of truck exhaust pipes to "improve the strangulating effect of the trucks" and in marching orders to round up Jews in Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, Finland, Belgium, Denmark.

 

[nate895]

Like so many stunning failures of government, ask yourself, honestly, is incompetence, sloth and boneheaded decision making really at fault here?

Or is there more to the picture?

Given military history, I'd have to say that it is entirely possible that there is nothing more to the picture. Sadly most appointments to the General's Corps wind up being politically motivated, especially in peacetime. Some generals in the early stages of WWII shouldn't have been in charge of a small platoon, let alone commanding an entire wing of the Allied Army.

 

[sofia]

What sucks is that this was a decent topic before people started coming in here and fucking defending Hitler.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

ever occur to you that the same global elites who LIED to you about Global Warming.....who LIED to you about the FED.....who LIED to you about WMD's......and so many other topics.......may have fudged the truth about WW2??

Remember...it was Hitler who dismantled Germany's FED and issued debt free currency.


There lies the rub!

 

[nate895]

hmmmmm

How exactly does one "survive" a gas chamber????

How do we account for these millions of "survivors?"...Doent that alone disprove the extirmination theory?......

They survived their stay in an INTERNMENT camp...not an extirmination camp.

Oh...that makes it all better. Forced labor to death is so much better than the gas chamber, I just can't wait to get in line.

If you'd actually read any of the testimonials, then you'd know that the Nazis would separate out those who were fit to work and those who weren't, and send those who couldn't to the gas chambers, and then send those could to work until they starved to death.