Women's vote not going to Dr. Paul

[gaazn]

maybe need to show that because the dollar keeps going down in value, women get to shop less. a lot of times the people need to see what happens to them at the end without dwelling on the economic jargon.

 

[SlapItHigh]

and more....

I can't remember what debate it was, but I lost all respect for Ron Paul when he kept referring to POC as "the blacks." Not just once but many times. "The blacks" this..."The blacks" that... He sounded like a crazy racist uncle after too many drinks.

Wait... RP wants to disallow the USSC from ruling on the constitutionality of laws? Wow, that disbands the Union and takes us right back to a confederate style of government.

Let us be clear: Ron Paul has no chance AT ALL of getting the GOP nomination. None.
Let's just be very thankful for this fact, as well as being thankful for the fact that all the unreconstructed confederates among us have, historically, lost, and lost, and lost again.

Ron Paul is opposed to a separation of church & state.

While my sister and I were standing outside at 3:30 am on Black Friday (don't ask), we had 2 people going down the line handing out Ron Paul pamphlets. I took one look at it and handed it back saying "no thank you"- to which one of the supporters says to me in a loud voice "what, you support illegal immigration?" My sister looked at me with a oh crap look and I said to him "my political opinions ar none of your business especially at 3:30 in the morning so have a good holiday season." His friend pulled him on down the line and the people around me started laughing- then when the tool came back past me in line, he says again "anyone who is against illegal immigration should vote for Ron Paul." And I just said "and anyone who supports a woman's right to choose will vote against him." And got a ton of applause from the women around me. I was just so freakin' irritated with that guy. I mean, come one- if you're going to support someone, that's fine but don't make it all about 1 issue and don't bother me when I am standing in line in 30 degree weather waiting to try to grab a cheap KitchenAid mixer for my MIL.

I am not a Libertarian. I believe in government. I think Government is Good. Frankly, I don't know why anyone who thinks government is bad wants a job in government. That would be like me trying to get a job at Dow Chemical, or within the Republican party, for that matter.

But (and this is a big but) I understand the principles behind Libertarianism. Basically, it's like, "Leave me alone to make my own decisions". So how can someone claim to be a Libertarian, and want to take away women's legal choices? I don't get it.

My postition on Ron Paul is very simple. Ron Paul does not believe that my family should have the right to exist, or the same access to services as other families (health insurance,employment,housing,etc.) Therefore Ron Paul can't possibly get my vote.

I really don't get why any poor/working class people could support him also, since he believes in less social services and more breaks for big corporations who don't want to invest here anyway-so no safety net AND no increase in Jobs or Wages.

Not only that, but the "Gold Standard" is just silly. Gold is no more "real" in value than paper money. Just like paper money, gold only has special value because we believe it to have value. It could just as easily be the "Sand Standard" or the "Salt Standard".

To really understand this, read two books: Gulliver's Travels (pay special attention to the section with the Whinnams and the giant diamonds) and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. When you are done, do some research about Oz's author, L. Frank Baum, and get the backstory on what he was really writing about.

My apologies if this has been mentioned, but I would like to suggest you read the article titled "The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters" in the November 14, 2007 edition of American Thinker dot com. It is quite eye opening.
A bit OT but there is some interesting information in there about Cindy Sheehan too.

I just printed the above referenced book. Ugh.

He spouts off about how unfair it is that blacks and hispanics can have civil rights groups and a caucus, but whites can't without being called racist. And so far I'm only on the 3nd page of chapter 1.

Well, the problem is that many states would opt to curtail citizens rights if given the power. This doesn't just apply to abortion rights, but other civil liberties, including those based on race and gender.

Ron Paul would leave it to the states to decide if blacks and whites could marry. After all, that's not in the constitution.

While I am 100% against the Iraq War, I am also opposed to Ron Paul's "let the Iraqis deal with the mess we made of their country" plan. It simply isn't realistic (or fair) for every single US soldier to be out of Iraq that day after the election. Or rather, it's about as realistic as returning to the gold standard.

The source is lewrockwell . com, which is a site that makes no bones about its appreciation for the Confederacy. And considers Abraham Lincoln virtually a criminal.

He still believes that having access to health care isn't every human being's right.. I can't understand why THAT alone isn't enough to make any compassionate person realize he is bad news. He supports raw milk farmers? Groovy enough. He still rather you die in a gutter than use taxes to fund health care.

Tax deductions will not make healthcare affordable for me. I already pay no taxes and get the EIC (which he opposes). He does nothing for me in regards to healthcare, and there are many others out there just like me. What are we supposed to do, just go without? Oh wait, that's what we are doing.

Well, it may not be his "idea" that people go without, but it may very be the reality that comes from his plan.

I mean, I think it's terrific that the administered to folks who couldn't pay, but how many doctors actually do that?? Many won't even take cash. Why would that suddenly change?

So I say, "Yay" for raw milk, but the "cost" of that elsewhere (like less medical care and social programs) just are NOT worth it to me.

Most doctors will laugh in your face if you ask them to make payment arrangements. And pro bono? Dream on!

 

[atilla]

Direct quotes from other women who oppose Ron Paul from three very different high volume all women message boards:

another good argument for the abolition of woman's suffrage.

 

[Thanehand]

My mom actually said to me that she'd like to see women not being allowed to vote. The reason: because she knows that many women vote with their emotions (as is evident by many voting for Hillary because "they have a connection with her" and "because she's a woman").

I don't agree with her (my own mom!) but see her point.

I think education is the key, and our poor excuse for an education system just keeps churning out misinformed individuals.

 

[angelatc]

ROFL!!! I love the way men think they know what women want!!

Indeed.

 

[Sey.Naci]

Well, the fact that you are unusual is just what this thread was begun to discuss. Thus the discussion of feminism, which is the prevailing ideology, and is hostile (to say the least) to what Dr. Paul represents.

Huh?! I'm a feminist and am 100% for Dr. P. While I disagree on a couple of issues, those pale in comparison to the major ones.

 

[Bloody Holly]

Another problem, all the woman bashing going on. There are females here. Do you want to drive them away? Do you want the new female on board to say....hmmm nevermind?

 

[ronpaulitician]

The entrance polls to the Iowa caucus tell a different story.

Paul got 11% of the male vote and 8% of the female vote.

What stands out is that Huckabee received 29% of the male vote but a whopping 40% of the female vote.

 

[Nefertiti]

Gee, I spent something like half an hour composing a lengthy commentary on numerous posts, which I thought was "thoughtful", some of it perhaps provocative (I like a good discussion), and this is all the response you're willing to offer?

Yes, that's all I have to offer now. I've got to leave for a 6 week trip in less than 48 hours and have a lot to do between now and then, like making sure I get an absentee ballot to vote for Ron Paul. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[amy31416]

Huh?! I'm a feminist and am 100% for Dr. P. While I disagree on a couple of issues, those pale in comparison to the major ones.

I'm a feminist in the sense that I'm mostly an "equalist." and am 100% for Ron Paul as well.

The misogyny in this thread will do nothing but fuel opposition and annoy and alienate female newcomers. Those of us who've been on board with Paul for a while won't be swayed. We need everyone, whether anyone likes it or not and women hold a lot of sway.

Do any of you seriously think that Ron Paul is a misogynist?

 

[Bloody Holly]

Ron Paul doesn't hate women but can't say the same for some men in here.

Also when someone left last night for being called a troll....wow. Women here must have thick skin to have stayed here.

Bryan also made a thread last night that specifically states. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.

I don't think that excludes females and for a candidate getting excluded left and right, it does not make sense to have people treat women this way and the more this is allowed on this forum, the less women you will have.

Ron Paul phenomenom started online. Remember that. They come here seeking answers and if they see "Women suck. I hate feminists" and they see you attacking any female by calling her a feminazi for defending herself, that is going to drive people away and then I will have a question for you...

WHAT TEAM ARE YOU ON? If you are here to exclude people and attack them, I'm going to think you are on another political candidates team and you are a mole.

That is something moles do.

In the near future....after this post. Any person on here who degrades someone for their race, gender, sexual orientation, age will be put on ignore.

If it's a joke, no big deal.

 

[atilla]

after this post. Any person on here who degrades someone for their race, gender, sexual orientation, age will be put on ignore.

please ignore me, i have super secret information i need to tell men about and i don't want the women to know it.

 

[daniroyer]

It's very easy to fall for the "we'll protect you and take care of you" crap.

Some also believe that women aren't supposed to be loud with their support.

Both are b.s.

I don't need Ron Paul to think of my kids. He needs to think of all Americans and leave the specifics regarding my kids to me.

 

[amy31416]

please ignore me, i have super secret information i need to tell men about and i don't want the women to know it.

Calling you a name would be the obvious and easy thing to do. I won't sink that low.

I'll just say that you must have some redeeming qualities if you support Dr. Paul, I wish we could see more of that aspect of yourself.

 

[Bloody Holly]

please ignore me, i have super secret information i need to tell men about and i don't want the women to know it.

Done. Anyone else?

 

[Politeia]

Women 4 Ron Paul

A nice looking site just linked at Lew Rockwell:
http://www.women4ronpaul.com

Claims to be the first person to actually vote for Ron Paul (absentee ballot in California primary).

 

[Politeia]

What exactly is a "feminist"?

Huh?! I'm a feminist and am 100% for Dr. P. While I disagree on a couple of issues, those pale in comparison to the major ones.

Well, that's just the problem. No one who isn't a "feminist" can figure out what a "feminist" is. As Jim Kalb put it:

"Feminism" means so many different things that it appears to mean very little. Its theoretical advocates constantly contradict each other and themselves. Rather than damaging feminism, its incoherence offers an easy defense against all criticism: whatever the complaint, the response is that it misses the mark because feminism is really something else.

Be nice if all you "feminists" would get together and sort it out and come up with a single definition that the rest of us can work with.

Meanwhile, I prefer to do what I can to further the welfare of all humans, in fact all beings, rather than promoting conflict between different groups.

 

[txgirl]

Thanks for the info Politeia!

 

[Politeia]

Direct quotes from other women who oppose Ron Paul from three very different high volume all women message boards:

Well, you've certainly demonstrated that a lot of women are unwilling to (a) think; (b) take the trouble to learn what RP is really about, rather than judge him entirely from misleading sound-bite slurs promoted by his enemies; and (c) think.

It's true that it takes some effort to figure out Ron Paul, because what he presents doesn't fit in the tidy little categories in which the sheeple have been trained to "think" -- the categories that make it so easy for the Rulers to rule them. However, it can be done. If they choose not to do so, it's their call, and their life.

For years now, a kind of mantra has been running through my mind, as I observe the days' continuing insanities: "It's what the people want."

Clearly, these women want more of the same. They'll probably get it. Don't complain to me.

Some years back, I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh's radio program. He was kind of an ass much of the time, but amusing and sometimes insightful and clever (this was before his drug troubles), and those he skewered often deserved it, even if they were friends of mine. One day I happened to mention to a woman friend, a liberal peace-activist type, that I listened to Rush. "I'm ashamed of you," she said. What? Apparently, to her, listening to someone on the radio was equivalent to being brainwashed. The option of managing one's own mind didn't exist?

She went on to talk about something, "I think blah blah..." I thought, "No, Mary, you don't think; you emote, and you call it thinking."

 

[Revolution9]

Another problem, all the woman bashing going on. There are females here. Do you want to drive them away? Do you want the new female on board to say....hmmm nevermind?

You have never of course cast aspersions in the general direction of males. methinks a look in the mirror and an STFU is in order.

Feminist = manufactured societal artifice.
Feminine = natural femaleness with all its grace and beauty
Feminazi = Worst of man in a womans body coupled with the worst of womens attitudes. Pure aggressive bullshit and cross gender condescension.

HTH
Randy