Women don't like Paul??!!

Yes, you're right -- except for one thing: Why do they have to be "educated"? I wasn't "educated"; I educated myself, because the truth was more important to me than the comfortable security of staying with the unexamined assumptions I'd been taught as a child. Can't they think for themselves? Aren't they interested in the truth? Do they never make an effort to think beyond their first, simple emotional reactions? Do they ever ask themselves if these "feel good" ideas actually make sense, in addition to feeling good?

The answer to all these questions is No.

You don't really know what you are talking about. This isn't the case with women. Women are more emotional than men in general but that does not mean they don't think about things. Many women truly believe that socialism is better than capitalism and they have educated themselves, they do think about it...a lot. They have arguements for it and I've never seen anyone counter a good enough debate to change their minds. If you think you can, why don't you do it? I've tried for years but it is a fundamental difference in thought and there is not enough proof or evidence to counter it with enough force to change minds. This is why abortion is such a divisive issue. You can't prove either side of the debate and that doesn't mean everyone who is pro-life is only thinking on emotions.
 
BTW I never thought that the decision to let women vote would end up being the death knell for liberty in this country... (haha ok I'm kidding...sorta...)

Actually, it's been obvious to me for some time ... ever since I became old and tired enough for what Warren Farrell calls the "hormone-induced fog" that colors most men's view of women to begin to dissipate a little, so I could begin to see clearly how women think and act.

Women want to be taken care of; it's natural and genetic. And once women began to transfer this expectation from the imperfect men in their lives to the government -- which, being far away and impersonal, can be imagined to be perfect (especially if you're good at deluding yourself, which cleary many women are -- cf. the euphemism "pro-choice") -- there was simply no way the State could not become all-powerful. Women will not settle for anything less.

In 1995 I saw a PBS special on the 75th anniversary of the 19th Amendment (that "gave" women the vote in national elections). The narrative mentioned that among the objections to female suffrage was the prediction that they would enact alcohol prohibition. ... No mention was made of the fact that that was exactly what happened. (Yes, the 18th Amendment preceded the 19th, but it was part of the same event, like the 16th & 17th). I had to laugh; it was politically incorrect to notice, so it simply wasn't. I've found that women are very good at not seeing what they don't wish to acknowledge. They really won't see it; and in this world, their maternal and sexual power allows them to get away with it -- for a while at least.

It's been said many times: the primary value for male consciousness is freedom; the primary value for female consciousness is security. The reasons for this are obvious to anyone who takes the trouble to think. Once women began directly taking part in the political process, society was profoundly changed. And, in my view, socialism became inevitable.

It's not often remembered now (another politically-incorrect fact, thus suppressed) that among opponents of female suffrage were many women, who predicted that it would destroy the family. Which has also happened.

The family is the only human institution capable of resisting and restraining the State's greed for ultimate power. Thus those who live from and through the State -- politicians and their ilk -- naturally wish to destroy the family, thus reducing society to a collection of atomized individuals, who can be divided into mutually-hostile groups and then easily ruled.

I've wondered if perhaps the presence of a significant number of women in the Ron Paul Revolution might herald the beginning of a real "sea-change" in human consciousness, wherein women might (a) learn to think and (b) begin to understand that the responsibility that freedom requires, though sometimes painful, is worth the cost.

Maybe the family really is evolutionarily dead, and we're going on to a new form of sexual and social order based entirely on individuals alone. But that can be a free society only if women begin to value freedom as much as men do, and become willing to pay the price of freedom as much as men are. However, the trend for the last century has been in the opposite direction: men becoming more like women, more shallow and emotional, more dependent, less interested in freedom.
 
Look...someone may be upset by my saying this, but it is true that some female voters base their vote on looks, whether consciously or not, and they love Huckabee's puppy dog eyes and tone of voice, they love Romney's coif and stern gaze, and they love McCain's reserved anger when he speaks. It really boils down to sexual turn ons and who reminds them of their daddy.
It's not really surprising when you consider that there are no women candidates running (besides what's-her-name).

What if the candidates standing up on that stage were all women? How would men vote, even if subconsciously? Think about it.
 
You don't really know what you are talking about. This isn't the case with women. Women are more emotional than men in general but that does not mean they don't think about things. Many women truly believe that socialism is better than capitalism and they have educated themselves, they do think about it...a lot.

Well, I guess it depends on what you call "thinking". "2+2=5" may look like thinking, it may feel like thinking, but in my view it's not. Rationalization is not the same as Reason, though many people don't know the difference.

They have arguements for it and I've never seen anyone counter a good enough debate to change their minds. If you think you can, why don't you do it? I've tried for years but it is a fundamental difference in thought and there is not enough proof or evidence to counter it with enough force to change minds.

I've been trying, for some 25 years, ever since I woke up from being a 60s liberal and discovered libertarianism. I don't know what you mean about "proof or evidence"; as regards the viability of socialism, how about the collapse of the Soviet Union and Communist China?

So no, I don't think I can, because there never is a "good enough debate" for someone who's not prepared to submit to the discipline of Reason. "My mind's made up; don't bother me with facts" is not thinking, however many words it may produce. Nor is it open to debate, of any kind.

For me, my opposition to socialism doesn't hinge on any kind of "proof or evidence". I just don't like being forced to do anything against my will. Therefore I do not force others to do things against their will. To me, that is a logical conclusion. Women who commonly scream about "Get your laws off my body!" seem to see no incongruity in hiring thugs to push my body around. That, in my view, is because they don't think.

This is why abortion is such a divisive issue. You can't prove either side of the debate and that doesn't mean everyone who is pro-life is only thinking on emotions.

Well, I don't find abortion exactly a "divisive" issue. Nor do I see what any question of "proof" arises. As a Buddhist, to me it is a clear violation of the First Precept: Do Not Destroy Life. Do you mean the pro-abortion camp insists on "proof" that the foetus was alive before it was aborted? Clearly anyone who holds to such a view is way off in "don't bother me with facts" land.
 
The Republican would have won every presidential election since Nixon if women didn't vote.

Women tend to dislike small government messages.



No, it's dead on. It's just that conservatives don't appeal to women. Yes, we have some great women here who support Ron Paul, but on the average, women do not like conservative, small government messages.

I didn't know the Republican party carried a small government message.

edit: Wait, why was this thread bumped? I've been had, the new posts button lied to me.
 
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I suggest just a test of the non-aggression principle and the philosophy of liberty as qualifiers for voting. We'd get rid of a lot of bad male and female voters that way.
 
Maybe women have been traditionally expected to "go with the flow"?

Statist indoctrination (which some people refer to as education) probably didn't help.
 
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Maybe women have been traditionally expected to "go with the flow"?

Statist indoctrination (which some people refer to as education) probably didn't help.

True enough. Secretly, men don't like the rugged individualist female. They only say they do.
 
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