Wisconsin Senate PASSES Gov. Walker's anti-Collective Bargaining Bill

[madfoot]

The government has not told them they cannot collectively bargain, they simply said that as an employer they will not hire or employ people who engage in collective bargaining, moreover all they have said is that they will not entertain or allow collective bargaining to determine certain aspects of their employment.

So in other words they cannot collectively bargain.

Really guys? Really?

 

[madfoot]

Yes it is.

When did libertarianism become a form crony capitalism?

 

[silverhandorder]

"Wisconsin Senate PASSES Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Bill"

Do you mean he took out the part that had anything to do with the budget and passed the part that cripples the public sector unions?

What a mess. This isn't libertarian at all, guys.

Neither is continuing to give unions special privileges. Troll somewhere else.

 

[TCE]

So in other words they cannot collectively bargain.

Really guys? Really?

In real terms, they never could anyway. If they wanted to truly Collectively Bargain, the taxpayers of Wisconsin would all have to vote on their terms and all of their requests for increases would likely never be agreed upon. Just look at California. Any increase in taxes is always voted down via referendum. They should be thankful they got away with blackmailing the state for so long.

 

[specsaregood]

When did libertarianism become a form crony capitalism?

What does this have to do with capitalism? This is about public servant unions.

 

[Trigonx]

"Wisconsin Senate PASSES Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Bill"

Do you mean he took out the part that had anything to do with the budget and passed the part that cripples the public sector unions?

What a mess. This isn't libertarian at all, guys.

I think you forgot to add the part where it will allow people to be employed by the state and not be forced to pay union dues.

Sounds like freedom of choice to me.

 

[FrankRep]

What a mess. This isn't libertarian at all, guys.

When did libertarianism become a form crony capitalism?

 

[osan]

"Wisconsin Senate PASSES Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Bill"

Do you mean he took out the part that had anything to do with the budget and passed the part that cripples the public sector unions?

What a mess. This isn't libertarian at all, guys.

It isn't? How do you figure?

 

[madfoot]

Neither is continuing to give unions special privileges. Troll somewhere else.

Just because I don't toe the party line on every issue doesn't make me a troll. It doesn't make me a "statist" or a "progressive," either.

I think you forgot to add the part where it will allow people to be employed by the state and not be forced to pay union dues.

Sounds like freedom of choice to me.

Because those unions won't exist anymore.

 

[FrankRep]

It isn't? How do you figure?

Madfoot has a thread for his Pro-Government Union views.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?282421-Why-aren-t-we-on-the-side-of-the-union-protesters

 

[madfoot]

The taxpayers seem to be on the side of the protesters.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-22-poll-public-unions-wisconsin_N.htm

 

[specsaregood]

Because those unions won't exist anymore.

If they fail as the result of people not being forced to join them or having their money stolen from them to go to the union; then the union is clearly not providing a service worth keeping them around.

 

[madfoot]

It isn't? How do you figure?

It has nothing to do with cutting the budget whatsoever. If it did, he would have negotiated with the Democratic senators and agreed to budget cuts without killing the unions. This is about the GOP declaring war on our schools.

 

[TCE]

The taxpayers seem to be on the side of the protesters.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-22-poll-public-unions-wisconsin_N.htm

As we've discussed many, many times, Public Opinion is worthless. 81% of people want foreign aid cut, but that won't happen. 75% want a real audit of the Federal Reserve and that won't happen. The only opinions worth anything are of our wise overlords the elected politicians.

 

[specsaregood]

This is about the GOP declaring war on our schools.

hahahahaha

 

[jth_ttu]

I don't get why you are torn? The government has not told them they cannot collectively bargain, they simply said that as an employer they will not hire or employ people who engage in collective bargaining, moreover all they have said is that they will not entertain or allow collective bargaining to determine certain aspects of their employment.. As an employer WI can make any terms it wants, and as a laborer or employee workers may or may not accept those terms and find employment elsewhere.

You do not have the right to force your will on others, employers offer pay and benefits to attract workers, workers offer services in return, both sides must agree to the exchange. Yet here you argue that the workers have the right to force terms on the employer, would you also support the reverse where employees were forced to labor(meaning they cannot quit) under certain terms that were forced upon them?

It is an exchange, WI offers money which represents the entire spectrum of goods and services in exchange for the services the workers will provide. You cannot use force on either side of the equation in the free market.

I never said workers had the right to a job or to force their terms on anyone, don't put words in my mouth. All I said was workers had the right to collectively bargain. I think people should only hire or work on terms they agree to. I'm pretty sure this new law makes it illegal for public employees to collectively bargain which means they can be arrested for it. If all the bill said was that the state would not hire employees engaged in collective bargaining I wouldn't think twice about it. I haven't seen the bill so I'm just going on whats being said. Anybody got a link to the bill?

 

[TCE]

It has nothing to do with cutting the budget whatsoever. If it did, he would have negotiated with the Democratic senators and agreed to budget cuts without killing the unions. This is about the GOP declaring war on our schools.

Because public schools are a masterful art of efficiency? We're getting a return on our investment? Kids are dumber than they have ever been and that should be obvious. Privatize the schools and unions can collectively bargain all they want in the private sector.

 

[FrankRep]

It has nothing to do with cutting the budget whatsoever. If it did, he would have negotiated with the Democratic senators and agreed to budget cuts without killing the unions. This is about the GOP declaring war on our schools.

It's hard to negotiate with the Democratic Senators when they runaway to a different state.

Everything else you posted is straight up propaganda. No one declaring "war" on the schools. That is retarded.

 

[madfoot]

If they fail as the result of people not being forced to join them or having their money stolen from them to go to the union; then the union is clearly not providing a service worth keeping them around.

It's weird how some people don't mind breaking contractual agreements when it hurts the working class. If this was about a minimum wage or regulatory standards, we'd be up in arms, but take away their right to unionize and suddenly things are different?

 

[TCE]

It's weird how some people don't mind breaking contractual agreements when it hurts the working class. If this was about a minimum wage or regulatory standards, we'd be up in arms, but take away their right to unionize and suddenly things are different?

Uh...virtually all of us are against regulations and the minimum wage...