Wired: Snowden: The Worst NSA Revelations Are Yet to Come

[Anti Federalist]

Unless and until I see the smoking gun that has oft been referredt to.... I call BS. If they had something truly damaging, it would have been put out already. This stinks of someone who wants to remain relevant and in the spotlight.

Love you, Ed, but either you have the goods or you're bluffing for publicity.

In the article and in the thread, it is stated why he can do nothing about it.

The documents themselves, however, are out of his control. Snowden no longer has access to them; he says he didn’t bring them with him to Russia.

 

[Schifference]

In the article and in the thread, it is stated why he can do nothing about it.

Maybe I have seen to much TV but if I were Snowden I would have made a copy and have it stashed in a place that only I knew its whereabouts.

 

[puppetmaster]

I'm starting to get tired of this "wait there is more" B.S. Dump it already.

no shit....cmon.....not going to release the names to protect the victim.... yada yada

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Does anyone want to ask Bamford anything. Don't know if he will answer questions and I suspect he entered into a secrecy agreement re: access to the archive, but I do know the guy. He can be slow to respond - travels a lot.

I've been personally wondering about EO 12333 vs patriot act and if overturning the latter would change anything at all. I was planning on writing him with that question and also wondering if Ed had any thoughts on the subject...

-t

 

[MaxPower]

I can see both sides of the "release-it-all-at-once" vs. "release-it-piecemeal-to-demonstrate-the-government's-dishonesty" debate, but I will say that the latter is looking to me right now a bit like it falls prey to a "boiling-frog" trap of the sort Edward mentioned in his interview. If they had revealed everything-- including all the things the government denied, then had to fess up to-- right off the bat, perhaps it actually would have shocked the public into drastic action, whereas the piecemeal approach has made some people who couldn't have handled it all at once at the beginning accustomed to rationalizing the State's criminality and dishonesty step-by-step.

 

[jkob]

they need to release the information when they get it, I don't trust these other people. If there is information that could shake the foundations of this dictatorship then you release the information.

 

[TheTexan]

Unfortunately, by and large, that is correct...

www.maidsafe.net

But, then how would the government shut down illegal websites? Such as child pornography? Also, terrorists. And drugs too while we're at it.

Since I'm assuming that you're against the sexual abuse of children, it's probably safe to assume that you agree that this technology should just be made illegal. Or, better yet, the President should make an executive order declaring it illegal under any of a number of existing laws.

Unless you hate children and you support terrorism??

 

[Thor]

But, then how would the government shut down illegal websites? Such as child pornography? Also, terrorists. And drugs too while we're at it.

Since I'm assuming that you're against the sexual abuse of children, it's probably safe to assume that you agree that this technology should just be made illegal. Or, better yet, the President should make an executive order declaring it illegal under any of a number of existing laws.

Unless you hate children and you support terrorism??

It is for the children... I agree. We should all be under the all seeing eye at all times. We cannot be trusted to think for ourselves. We are sheeple in pen with the flock guardian watching over us. We could eat the wrong weed and .... die! OMG, save me.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I was of the "dump it all" school of thought as well, but I see your point.

Dump some, make the system lie and spin, then dump some more, proving them liars, and so on.

Worth it doing it that way if only on the off chance that it gives the miserable sluts ulcers.

Snowden went about it in a very slick way. I'm just not sure about Greenwald and his new media venture being on the up and up.

 

[Lucille]

Snowden went about it in a very slick way. I'm just not sure about Greenwald and his new media venture being on the up and up.

Giving it to Greenwald was a huge mistake. He should have given it to Wikileaks.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Giving it to Greenwald was a huge mistake. He should have given it to Wikileaks.

I've been disappointed with Greenwald and co. lately. It's supposed to be a shocking revelation that the government is spying on a bunch of Muslims? I mean, give me a fucking break. And his collusion with this Ebay asshole, I don't like it one bit. Greenwald should have crowdfunded his shit and had it completely independent and underground. Perhaps the fame and limelight is going to his head.

 

[Thor]

I've been disappointed with Greenwald and co. lately. It's supposed to be a shocking revelation that the government is spying on a bunch of Muslims? I mean, give me a fucking break. And his collusion with this Ebay asshole, I don't like it one bit. Greenwald should have crowdfunded his shit and had it completely independent and underground. Perhaps the fame and limelight is going to his head.

What happened to Cryptome and "Releasing all remaining documents in July"

Cryptome: ‬Remaining Snowden docs will be released to avert ‘unspecified US war’ in July
http://benswann.com/cryptome-remaining-snowden-docs-will-be-released-to-avert-unspecified-us-war-in-july/


Looks like maybe it was just a publicity stunt, as this shows they are just making demands, and don't have the documents:

http://cryptome.org/2013/11/snowden-tally.htm

12 August 2014. Add 6 pages to The Intercept. Tally now *2,146 pages of The Guardian first reported 58,000 files; caveat: Janine Gibson, The Guardian NY, said on 30 January 2014 "much more than 58,000 files in first part, two more parts" (no numbers) (tally now less than ~3.5%). DoD claims 1,700,000 files (~.012% of that released). ACLU lists 525 pages released by the press. However, if as The Washington Post reported, a minimum of 250,000 pages are in the Snowden files, then less than 1% have been released.

5 August 2014. Add 12 pages to The Intercept. Tally now *2,140 pages of The Guardian first reported 58,000 files; caveat: Janine Gibson, The Guardian NY, said on 30 January 2014 "much more than 58,000 files in first part, two more parts" (no numbers) (tally now less than ~3.5%). DoD claims 1,700,000 files (~.012% of that released). ACLU lists 525 pages released by the press. However, if as The Washington Post reported, a minimum of 250,000 pages are in the Snowden files, then less than 1% have been released.

4 August 2014. Add 23 pages to The Intercept.

25 July 2014. Add 4 pages to The Intercept.

14 July 2014. Add 8 pages to The Intercept.

14 July 2014. "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_(film)

Cryptome has sent a demand for accounting and public release specifics to holders of the Snowden documents: New York Times, Washington Post, The Guardian, Barton Gellman, Laura Poitrias, Glenn Greenwald, ACLU, EFF and John and Jane Does, US Citizens:

http://cryptome.org/2014/07/snowden-documents-demand-14-0714.pdf

 

[AuH20]

I've been disappointed with Greenwald and co. lately. It's supposed to be a shocking revelation that the government is spying on a bunch of Muslims? I mean, give me a fucking break. And his collusion with this Ebay asshole, I don't like it one bit. Greenwald should have crowdfunded his shit and had it completely independent and underground. Perhaps the fame and limelight is going to his head.

Yup.

http://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-...ion-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

When Der Speigal (think) released the TAO catalog, it was too much at once. Bruce Steiner took a full month + and did one catalog item a day in his blog. It's better to release it slow. Not only are they able to fuck with world politics, but they can catch them lying over and over and over again...

As to Cryptome, prevent a war... have you tuned into the news lately.... what about the autonomous program Snowden revealed in the last article. That sounds like it could start a war...

But yeah, I don't see a total data dump happening anytime soon.

-t

 

[muh_roads]

I admire Snowden. He is delaying the clock and giving us more time to install liberty, IMO.

Read up on Bitcoin guys. You may be able to get some cheap soon.

 

[Aratus]

to post in this thread is to be a true patriot...
that there are more revelations is inevitable...
we must wait and then judge accordingly...

 

[Thor]

The NSA Revelations All in One Chart

This is a plot of the NSA programs revealed in the past year according to whether they are bulk or targeted, and whether the targets of surveillance are foreign or domestic. Most of the programs fall squarely into the agency’s stated mission of foreign surveillance, but some – particularly those that are both domestic and broad-sweeping – are more controversial.

Just as with the New York Magazine approval matrix that served as our inspiration, the placement of each program is based on judgments and is approximate.

For more details, read our FAQ or listen to our podcast. Also, take our quiz to test your NSA knowledge.

List to go with graphic at the site.
http://projects.propublica.org/nsa-grid/

 

[Lucille]

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2013/09/when-state-floods-zone-reform-is-dead.html

In fact, and it gives me no pleasure to say this, but it's better to face the truth as fully as we can, if the NSA ceased to exist today, it would not make any appreciable difference in the surveillance activities of the United States government.

the Department of Homeland Security doesn't even appear in the graphic.
[...]
to focus on the NSA as if that agency is the only or even a major source of the problem is entirely wrong. The NSA is only one source of the rot that is spread across numerous agencies and programs, the rot that has infected our government at every level (federal, state, county, municipal, etc.) and in countless ways. But the unique and restricted focus on the NSA is also an enormous boon to the State; it is largely the result of our culture's idiotic and myopic focus on the "hot" story of the moment, devoid of history, of context, of everything that should inform our understanding of the issues involved. It creates and supports the view that, if only we "fix" the NSA, then a significant part of the problem will be solved. But that is flatly untrue. As I already noted, you could eliminate the NSA entirely this very minute, and it wouldn't make a damned bit of difference. But the heightened focus on the NSA, while ignoring all the other agencies and programs involved in similar and even identical activities, leads directly to the "solution" that will make the State writhe in ecstasy. Congress will have some hearings, and they will provide for some "oversight" and "accountability," and most people, including most of the State's critics, will herald the great triumph of "the people" and "democracy." Meanwhile, the State will continue doing exactly what it was doing before.

 

[willwash]

Does someone have a link to a concise SNowden narrative? What he leaked, how he leaked it, how the government originally responded, how the initial leak was verified, subsequent leaks, etc?

 

[Thor]

Does someone have a link to a concise SNowden narrative? What he leaked, how he leaked it, how the government originally responded, how the initial leak was verified, subsequent leaks, etc?

I did a quick duck and got these good hits:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=snowden+timeline

Some jump out:
http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-leaks-timeline-2014-6
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/edward-snowden-timeline-n114871


This one has a great interactive tool / timeline (near the bottom) where you can forward thru each revelation:

(hover over the infographic on the side for the forward and back arrows to appear like the grey bar in the image above)
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248800/The_Snowden_leaks_A_timeline