Will U.S. Citizens Ever Stand Up and Fight Like Those In Greece?

[ClayTrainor]

One million is about a third of a percent of the total population in the United States of America.

If you're talking about legal adults, that's a different story.

I was just generalizing.

My point is... we could garnish enough support for a real revolution, with or without the sheep.

 

[LiveToWin]

Imagine a 1,000,000 ceitizens armed themselves and stormed the FED, CFR and Bilderburg, Demanding that thy all resign! What could they do about it? 1,000,000 people is only like 1% of americans or less...

Hopefully at least 2% of Americans are still truly patriotic.

A force 1,000,000 patriots strong is ONLY .3% of the US population or Less. If 1% rise, we have 3,000,000. If 10% Rise, we have 30,000,000

 

[tmg19103]

My point in starting this thread was not to say we need violence at this point, but to say that I don't think Americans have it in them if (when) the time comes.

Apparently some Congressmen were strongarmed into the original bailout by Paulson saying if they did not vote for it there would be riots in the streets. Hardly. The vast majority of Americans would have baaaahed like sheep.

I personaly abhor violence, but I respect what Greek citizens are doing. Our country was founded on the principle of standing up to the government (and having the arms to do so) but I see countries that have strong Socialist parties where the people make more of a statement than in the U.S.

 

[socialize_me]

My point in starting this thread was not to say we need violence at this point, but to say that I don't think Americans have it in them if (when) the time comes.

Apparently some Congressmen were strongarmed into the original bailout by Paulson saying if they did not vote for it there would be riots in the streets. Hardly. The vast majority of Americans would have baaaahed like sheep.

I personaly abhor violence, but I respect what Greek citizens are doing. Our country was founded on the principle of standing up to the government (and having the arms to do so) but I see countries that have strong Socialist parties where the people make more of a statement than in the U.S.

Again, people will rise up when they are right for the time. It's not now. Things aren't bad enough yet. Lifestyles haven't dramatically changed yet. When that comes, you will know. When credit cards stop working, when people don't have jobs, and when prices go out of control, we'll see some fireworks. Until then, everything is going to tie over for the short term.

I wouldn't worry about whether or not we have it "in us". We do. We all do. There's no particular race, religion, sex, national origin, or age where we determine our fates. Revolutions have occurred in Africa, North America, South America, Oceania, Asia, and Europe. If people with nothing but a towel to cover their asses can rebel, I suppose Americans can too. It's been going on for a long, long time and no matter what year it is, whether it be 1008, 2008, or 3008, the same rules apply.

Nature has a tendency to clean out the bad stuff. Markets do it, nations do it, wildfires do it, etc. etc. Bad stuff doesn't flourish in this world forever. In the end, the underbrush of corrupt politicians and big government will burn itself out.

Remember Ron Paul saying having a strong currency and a Central Bank is impossible?? His reasoning was the temptation was too great to give humans the power of a printing press. People in the Government that have integrity will do what's necessary. The American People can do the rest.

 

[Athan]

Imagine a 1,000,000 ceitizens armed themselves and stormed the FED, CFR and Bilderburg, Demanding that thy all resign! What could they do about it? 1,000,0000 people is only like 1% of americans or less...

Hopefully at least 2% of Americans are still truly patriotic.

Well, "storming" isn't exactly what I had in mind. Primarily because only one, the Fed, is more reliant on physical structures. Second, being non-overt is likely to be more effective.

 

[Nate K]

You guys just can't wait for violence, can you? You 2nd amendmenters aren't any better than the neocons with the obvious lust for blood you demonstrate

We can resolve this peacefully with civil disobedience and jury nullification

I'm not disagreeing with you but to count on a bloodless revolution without even the thought of a drop of blood spilled may not be entirely rational. I'm sure civil disobedience would've been great in 1776, but I guess push came to shove.

By the way, don't put on your "he's advocating violence" hat just yet..

Didn't endorse a thing.

 

[orafi]

What about those Americans who will be willing to stand up against the defenderss of liberty and freedom?

 

[james1906]

What about those Americans who will be willing to stand up against the defenderss of liberty and freedom?

Then we will kick Sean Hannity's ass.

 

[hadenough]

I've been preparing by watching Braveheart every night. FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMM!

 

[hadenough]

Again, people will rise up when they are right for the time. It's not now. Things aren't bad enough yet. Lifestyles haven't dramatically changed yet. When that comes, you will know. When credit cards stop working, when people don't have jobs, and when prices go out of control, we'll see some fireworks. Until then, everything is going to tie over for the short term.

I wouldn't worry about whether or not we have it "in us". We do. We all do. There's no particular race, religion, sex, national origin, or age where we determine our fates. Revolutions have occurred in Africa, North America, South America, Oceania, Asia, and Europe. If people with nothing but a towel to cover their asses can rebel, I suppose Americans can too. It's been going on for a long, long time and no matter what year it is, whether it be 1008, 2008, or 3008, the same rules apply.

Nature has a tendency to clean out the bad stuff. Markets do it, nations do it, wildfires do it, etc. etc. Bad stuff doesn't flourish in this world forever. In the end, the underbrush of corrupt politicians and big government will burn itself out.

Remember Ron Paul saying having a strong currency and a Central Bank is impossible?? His reasoning was the temptation was too great to give humans the power of a printing press. People in the Government that have integrity will do what's necessary. The American People can do the rest.

AMEN to that!

 

[AdamT]

they have played this out just right.
They gave a large amount of people hope.
That calms the sheep for a little while and it takes longer for them to get mad,
they go into denial because they do not want to admit they had false hope,
then they start making excuses for why obama is doing all sorts of unconstitutional acts, continuing bush's failed policies and building up a police state.

+1000

 

[Truth Warrior]

Well, they didn't in Hungary in '56, nor in Czechoslovakia in '68, etc., etc., etc.

 

[socialize_me]

Well, they didn't in Hungary in '56, nor in Czechoslovakia in '68, etc., etc., etc.

Truth Warrior, I suggest you look at Zimbabwe today. Hyperinflation is over 231 million percent with predictions of it surpassing 15 quintillion percent in the coming months. Cholera has stricken the country as raw sewage is running in the streets. Approximately half of the population is likely to contract cholera which has killed so far 750 people in the past couple weeks. Hospitals are closed and schools have disappeared as pay for the teachers and doctors isn't enough to even cover the cost of a bus ride.

What's happening now?? The military is revolting. Arrests have been made on Zimbabwe servicemen. That country is on the brink of collapse which is why the United States and the UN do not need to get involved by "liberating" Zimbabwe. The conditions there are horrendous and the political establishment making it so will soon be ousted by its own population.

so take your and shove it up your

 

[Truth Warrior]

Truth Warrior, I suggest you look at Zimbabwe today. Hyperinflation is over 231 million percent with predictions of it surpassing 15 quintillion percent in the coming months. Cholera has stricken the country as raw sewage is running in the streets. Approximately half of the population is likely to contract cholera which has killed so far 750 people in the past couple weeks. Hospitals are closed and schools have disappeared as pay for the teachers and doctors isn't enough to even cover the cost of a bus ride.

What's happening now?? The military is revolting. Arrests have been made on Zimbabwe servicemen. That country is on the brink of collapse which is why the United States and the UN do not need to get involved by "liberating" Zimbabwe. The conditions there are horrendous and the political establishment making it so will soon be ousted by its own population.

so take your and shove it up your

Ron is a non-interventionist and so am I. I was merely answering the thread's title question. Zimbabwe is just another STATIST tragedy and cess pool pit. No surprise there, AT ALL.

Clues for sale.

 

[tmg19103]

Truth Warrior, I suggest you look at Zimbabwe today. Hyperinflation is over 231 million percent with predictions of it surpassing 15 quintillion percent in the coming months. Cholera has stricken the country as raw sewage is running in the streets. Approximately half of the population is likely to contract cholera which has killed so far 750 people in the past couple weeks. Hospitals are closed and schools have disappeared as pay for the teachers and doctors isn't enough to even cover the cost of a bus ride.

What's happening now?? The military is revolting. Arrests have been made on Zimbabwe servicemen. That country is on the brink of collapse which is why the United States and the UN do not need to get involved by "liberating" Zimbabwe. The conditions there are horrendous and the political establishment making it so will soon be ousted by its own population.

so take your and shove it up your

I hope you are not saying that we have to wait until inflation is at 200 million percent and that half the U.S. is dead from disease and then the government will fail, rather than to stand up to the government by all means possible before things get that bad.

 

[AutoDas]

I'd be scared shitless if the American populace started rioting. They don't know a thing about economics, freedom, or liberty so what makes them qualified to riot? Odds are they would install a "more perfect union," which would result in less freedoms. The American Revolution was an exception, all other revolutions (more like reactionaries) have resulted in tyranny.

 

[hadenough]

I'd be scared shitless if the American populace started rioting. They don't know a thing about economics, freedom, or liberty so what makes them qualified to riot? Odds are they would install a "more perfect union," which would result in less freedoms. The American Revolution was an exception, all other revolutions (more like reactionaries) have resulted in tyranny.

Sounds like negative spin to me.

I think alot of Americans are smarter than most "experts" give them credit for and, more importantly, I think most Americans hearts are in the right place. All we need is a catalyst to bring on change.

 

[acptulsa]

Sounds like negative spin to me.

I think alot of Americans are smarter than most "experts" give them credit for and, more importantly, I think most Americans hearts are in the right place. All we need is a catalyst to bring on change.

Hmpf. Well, the truth is probably in between. But I do think AutoDas has a point, and I think we have a long way to go in our efforts to educate. And I'm not alone:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=130543&page=12

 

[hadenough]

agreed.

 

[acptulsa]

The thing is, if we fall down in our moral duty to educate we will wind up with this fact (here articulated by Will Rogers) ruling the day:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1780524&postcount=119

The last thing we need is a revolt which is all motion and no direction, because tptb will step in and provide a direction (and we won't like it).