Will the Revolution grow 2x or 4x's it's size in 4 years?

shemdogg said:
Resulys mean everything

And rons votes show no quantifiable accomplisents. He was never a deciding vote and never swayed a vote. Other than a half assed diluted fed audit he never sponsored a single piece of legislation in years that passed. That is, no legislative results whatsoever

It's the message that made him special to us. For me, his never ending educational campaign is what educated us and that paid more dividends than what any legislation could ever do. But im under no delusion that Ron Paul made any impact by simply casting votes in Washington. That by itself accomplished absolutely nothing.
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Well Ron paved the road we are on, for us to travell upon.
 
Voting record is all that matters, otherwise we wouldn't even be here discussing Ron Paul
 
Carson said:
Who's to say what size it is right now?

I remember back in the sixties how the media had us all under their thumb. We didn't really know it at the time but it was like they would get on in front of us and tell us what everyone believed. We believed what they said we believed and believed everyone else believed what they said we believed...or something like that.

Anyway we all knew that there was someone who just didn't fit in. Ourselves.


Then something happened. It was called the Beatles. They came to America and they were in all of the news and on The Ed Sullivan Show.



Some how they were controversial enough that they did a simple thing; they got everyone talking about whether you liked them or not.

Soon we found ourselves divided in to two camps. Then we started talking about other things. One of those things was the war in Vietnam. The camps stated to drift apart. One camp started letting their freak flag fly by letting their hair grow. People started meeting up in parks and other places to hang out and talk. Music was a big part of many of the meetings.

The other had their crew cuts and the television feeding them lies that they clung to like...well I guess much like many of us do now.

Anyway the one big thing that lots of us realized was is that we were not alone. At first we felt we were alone in our feelings but we never really were. All it took was a little getting together and comparing notes.

And maybe a little letting your freak flag fly a little.

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Well that's exactly correct. Folks must conclude that there will be no Revolution without a Renaissance. At least I think so.
 
Uh no. What was important was ron's ability to articulate why he was voting the way he was, even if he knew his vote wouldn't make an ounce of a difference in the final vote count
 
Tic Tac sir.........well this thread got heated.

I could care less how big the movement is (but who really would not want it to grow) as I am a quality over quantity kind of person. But as long as you spread the message it will only help in growing this movement, just make sure to listen to people as well, as we can all learn from each other. Only 12% of the people out of the colonies fought in the Revolutionary War, big things have happened from a small group of people, this movement included.
 
Pardon my not reading all the pages before posting this. How much we increase in numbers will depend a lot on the economy tanking (again). get those "Don't blame me..." bumper stickers ready. But really, when we were canvassing for a local election, the people at the doors were a lot more relaxed, so I think helping local liberty candidates is an enormous opportunity to make inroads at the grassroots level. Also,there are some Liberty-minded people out there running as Democrats. There is one in Nashua, NH, Garcia. if you can help with one of these candidates, you get to visit the other half of the houses :D
 
Michigan11 said:
My guess is it will likely double in 2 years from now.

What do you think?
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I was thinking about your thread. I came across this video working on my other post and thought it should be in here somewhere. It kind of spelled out our future and what our parents had us up against.



I think everyone saw this picture. I suppose you had to be around at the time to get it.

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The image above is an Associated Press photograph that won the Pulitzer Prize for spot news. It was taken by Nick Ut on June 8, 1972.

Phan Thi Kim Phuc was about our age at the time. Her and the others had been napalmed. I suppose today they would be insurgence. I can't help thinking all these pictures of her have been doctored. I remember her with burns and burned clothing dangling.

Oh maybe here's why. There was news reel footage and maybe it wasn't clothing dangling.

Napalm Girl Phan Thị Kim Phúc


About her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc
 
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I agree with shemmdog regarding "this grassroots is not going to get this motivated in 2016" thing... or at least there is a real possibility of it happening. If you look at forum you see people already splitting and moving away from Ron Pauls plan to take back GOP. Our "critical mass" is slowly being chipped away by people who quit, resigned from republican party and people who started to move in thousand different directions. This is causing dissipating energy and manpower. Ron Paul managed to bring all fractions and liberty, constitutional etc. people together. Without him there is a danger that this movement is going to melt away. I know that people will do what they think is right thing to do but if everyone goes his/her own seperate way it is not going to be good for the future of this movement.



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2 moderators having this kind of conversation doesnt help anyone (and other users would be banned by now).
 
playpianoking said:
It will grow only if we focus on what we are - libertarians! It is my opinion that Ron's only mistake was trying to reform a party that doesn't stand close enough to what we believe. If he was the libertarian nominee, he would've reached 15% polling nationwide and would've been included in the debates.
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^THIS - Trying to take a major party based on the primary process is a unique strategy, win or lose. But most of the country was too busy not giving a shit for it to have a real impact. Getting 15% and being on the stage with an alternative option is where we need to be.

Imagine Ron Paul, or anyone, standing up there and telling the American people how badly the 2 parties are ripping them off. It'll be fun and then they'll raise the barrier to 25%.
 
playpianoking said:
It will grow only if we focus on what we are - libertarians! It is my opinion that Ron's only mistake was trying to reform a party that doesn't stand close enough to what we believe. If he was the libertarian nominee, he would've reached 15% polling nationwide and would've been included in the debates.
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Or Indy nominee.

I am so glad others on RPF actually "get it."

Thank you for giving me hope.
 
anewvoice said:
Imagine Ron Paul, or anyone, standing up there and telling the American people how badly the 2 parties are ripping them off. It'll be fun and then they'll raise the barrier to 25%.
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Heck, I have always argued it doesn't even have to be Ron Paul himself. Just SOMEBODY on our side as a third party!!!

Who? Judge NAP :p
 
It will grow in size but it will grow in a way that a lot of the "Regulars" here won't like.

Rand will take the torch and he'll do his best to get disgruntled Neo-Cons with him, if they start to actually win him some elections the focus will be directed towards them and while the movement will grow exponentially it will not grow with Libertarians.

The only way it grows with more Libertarians is if the LP and CP people wake the hell up and join the GOP. Since they seem to stubborn to do so then the movement will advance itself with disgruntled Neo-Cons through Rand.

I think it gets big enough to start winning with the disgruntled GOP people but I also believe that if the LP and CP people got on board we'd have a real shot at the POTUS, the Congrss, and the party itself.
 
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Barrex said:
I agree with shemmdog regarding "this grassroots is not going to get this motivated in 2016" thing... or at least there is a real possibility of it happening. If you look at forum you see people already splitting and moving away from Ron Pauls plan to take back GOP. Our "critical mass" is slowly being chipped away by people who quit, resigned from republican party and people who started to move in thousand different directions. This is causing dissipating energy and manpower. Ron Paul managed to bring all fractions and liberty, constitutional etc. people together. Without him there is a danger that this movement is going to melt away. I know that people will do what they think is right thing to do but if everyone goes his/her own seperate way it is not going to be good for the future of this movement.



P.s.
2 moderators having this kind of conversation doesnt help anyone (and other users would be banned by now).
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I don't think it as needing to come together for an election. This movement needs to come together as a way of life we all share.

You are right as many of us are moving apart in a way. In another, and at the same time, we are reaching out to others.

During the sixties we kind of had two camps. On the other hand the movement crossed all boundary lines.

Hendrix was behind the Vietnam War and even put his life on the line fighting in it. He was a well respected man by many of us that didn't support the war. He has some music that you could hear the choppers and bombs through his guitar music.

Others that were amongst us where the communist element. They had been demonized to an extent that a time came when we listened to them openly. Some of us found that listening to them openly was interesting and we gained a new understanding of what they stood for. That doesn't mean we bought into it. What I'm saying is we saw them for what they were. Now it seems the group that demonized them have adopted the same policies they pointed their finger at. Life can be funny that way.

Anyway we went off in all directions. And at the same time all came together. It is all happening again.

Remember the secret word?

Yellow Submarine
[video=google;-1444637107417806305]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1444637107417806305[/video]

There is a secret word but then again there is the secret action at about 1:19:50 or so (Right after the Nowhere Man touches the Blue Meanie Leader).
 
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