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LOL that is my list too.
Will the "n" on the blimp be fixed?
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LOL that is my list too.
I see your point, but this forum is private property. I'm simply making my argument for this person to be removed. At what point do you draw the line for disabling an account? If they posted negative comments about the blimp every 30 seconds in caps, for no reason? If you look at the users record I think it is clear what they are trying to achieve. The removal is justified based on the evidence, unlike gitmo (lack of evidence = 1 conviction out of 700 or whatever).
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Obvious spamming is one thing, and posting a dissenting view is quite another. The main point is, what you have called for is the removal of individuals simply because you don't like what they say.
And even if someone was posting a great amount of spam, I'd rather see the person privately reprimanded, and even still allowed to keep their account provided it doesn't continue. I'd prefer it if we didn't resort to banning and publicly branding individuals as traitors to the cause, as you have done in this case, for what I consider to be a far lesser offense than repeated spamming.
I understand that these forums are private property, but I consider that to be irrelevant given the context. Certainly, the owners of these forums have the right to do as they please, but if they were to do as you have suggested, then I believe that would be antithetical to the messages of freedom and liberty that we claim to adhere to. How can we purport to be the defenders of (among other things) free-speech rights under the law, when we will not even allow others that freedom on a voluntary basis?
I want you to know that I mean no offense by this, but I hope you can see that the position you defend has an authoritarian bent. Being a Ron Paul supporter, I would assume that obviously, authoritarianism is not something that you would truly desire to endorse, so I implore you to reconsider your position. The choice, ultimately, is up to you, but I think you would be served well to remember these words:
"I detest what you have to say, yet I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~Voltaire
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One of the first things looked at is contribution. Post counts count as well as the history of the contribution. After which the infractions would have to be quite severe. This forum is allowed to flow as a free market within a certain set of restrictions. Restrictions that are necessary as the founders of this forum loved liberty, not democracy.
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Infractions on Forums are a really good way of maintaining good manners and dealing with Trolls.
It's kind of like being tazered with love, it hurts initially, but you learn to behave quickly...
I am the last one to complain and cause trouble. But I am being serious that I think it is important that we close the gap on the "N". Please don't dismiss me as trying to be difficult. I really think this is very important. The blimp is not always going to be very visible from people's vantage point to begin with. Having the "n" be compromised can be the thing that makes or breaks whether people will be able to read it or not. If you are looking at the blimp from a mile or 2 away out the side window of your car and you have never heard of Ron Paul you won't be sure what it says.
Can we please keep this thread on topic. And more importantly, can anyone from the blimp team respond directly to the question about if we can use blue tape or a decal or paint to close the gap on the "N"?
Can we please keep this thread on topic. And more importantly, can anyone from the blimp team respond directly to the question about if we can use blue tape or a decal or paint to close the gap on the "N"?
I understand what you mean and respect your view, however let me ask you this: Let's say, for example, that there were a self-proclaimed Ron Paul supporter who was being continually interviewed by media organisations but misrepresnting the views of most Ron Paul supporters. Wouldn't you try to get the message out that this person does not represent the views of the majority of Ron Paul supporters? And wouldn't you try to stop this person from contiuing this? The case is clear-cut with this user. I can handle the user remaining, as long as everyone knows this is likely an infiltrator troll before giving credence to their statments.
Trevor Lyman and the blimp team, earned the trust of RP supporters well before the blimp project was concieved and yet, they were not afforded that trust by some who stupidly claimed this was a profit exercise or that it was a stupid project. When I hear these comments I get suspicious. Given that Trevor is almost single-handedly responsible for raising 4.3 million for Dr Paul, I believe he has earnt the trust of RP supporters. I'm sure the whole blimp process would have been alot easier for them if people would have just donated, shut up and had trust in them. I think any resonable person who is a true RP supporter, would have that trust, which is why I look suspeciously upon those who criticize.
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I guess I will go ahead and point out some obvious things here. First, while we may own the banner, we don't own the blimp. The simple fact is that engineers don't just put stuff on aircraft for shits and giggles. That valve is probably there for a good reason. Now, we can demand that the blimp owner obstruct the valve to make our banner look better - but at the end of the day it really isn't our call because it is his freakin' blimp. This is something called private property rights and it is something that Ron Paul is a strong advocate for.
Not to mention, with all the regulations in place to fly an aircraft, obstructing that valve is probably a safety issue and will cause the blimp to stay grounded. So, if you want the blimp to stay in that hanger for the next few weeks for something that basically will look like a fly standing on a Ron Paul bumper sticker, by all means, keep complaining.
Not to mention, with all the regulations in place to fly an aircraft, obstructing that valve is probably a safety issue and will cause the blimp to stay grounded. So, if you want the blimp to stay in that hanger for the next few weeks for something that basically will look like a fly standing on a Ron Paul bumper sticker, by all means, keep complaining.
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I find it funny that people say they love liberty, not democracy, when, infact, liberty is implemented through a democratic process. Liberty, as outlined in the constitution, was only implemented with the support of the founding fathers and the majority of Americans. If the constitution was not accepted by the majority of the population, then it would not have been functional.
The article makes my point. The majority of iraqi's would not accept what we consider liberty and therefore it won't work in that country. So it is, in fact, democracy that kills liberty or produces it. I've actually confused myself because I often say elitism (people who think their opinion is worth more than others) is wrong, when In fact I am being elitist when I think, as I do, that the Iraqi's are wrong and I'm right because I like our concept of liberty.
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