Will the Libertarian Party Field A Candidate Against Presidential Candidate Rand Paul?

LibertyEagle said:
Torch, don't you see this is just like the people who wouldn't consider Ron Paul because of what they didn't like in some of his supporters? You must be tired or something. Because you usually don't make this personal. You keep your eye on the prize of what we are trying to get done.
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The personal part is that i know people in the LP, good people- and some people in here are lying about them.
I am tired in the sense that i'm now going into my 18th year of campaigning for liberty. banging your head against a wall that long, starts to wear on you.
then you see the real thoughts of your 'allies', and how they disrespect your associations... in the same way the gop leadership disrespects us all...
its just enough to make you want to quit.
 
AuH20 said:
Yup. They still exist, but nowhere as influential as during the Perot days. Remember that Perot got roughly 8 million votes as an independent! And they also later sent Jesse Ventura to the governor's mansion. The LP doesn't have anything close to that type of breakthroughs. They seem to be stuck in a perpetual hamster wheel.
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Although I wouldn't do so today, I did vote for Perot in 1996, the first time I could. And I do see 87 people still listed as Reform Party members in Connecticut. I guess they still technically exist here, but they don't even have minor party status. Wikipedia says they're active in five states.

That being said, I think the LP has been more successful in recent years in terms of influencing debate and implementing policy, even without being elected.
 
torchbearer said:
I am tired in the sense that i'm now going into my 18th year of campaigning for liberty. banging your head against a wall that long, starts to wear on you.
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All the while you've been banging your head against the wall, Ron Paul has been kicking ass as a GOP Texas Congressman. You still ignore Ron Paul's advice, however.
 
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FrankRep said:
All the while you've been banging your head against the wall, Ron Paul has been kicking ass as a GOP Texas Congressman. You still ignore Ron Paul's advise, however.
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i think this statement sums up my argument against any further action.
 
LibertyEagle said:
I think this thread is ticking off people because of some kind of weird or assumed allegiance to a political party. Personally, I don't care about any of them beyond which one we can most effectively use to get our candidates elected. Other than that, I could care less.
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Some here feel the need to bash the LP. I live in an area dominated by war-mongering GOPers and I usually vote for LP candidates in the general while trying to help liberty-Republicans in the primary. Excuse me CaptLou and AuH20 for not licking the boots that are stomping on my rights and stealing my money and property. The best thing that could happen to Texas would be a 3 way split in the vote because our governor is no better than any democrat. He is Al Gore's spawn and the great "Texas Republicans" are a farce. It was a Republican that threatened to take my land away with the TTC. Forgive me for wishing a pox upon the GOP. They are progressive globalists.
 
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I've thought of joining the LP many times. I am libertarian idealistically and I align more with the LP platform. I became an R for the sole purpose of getting Ron Paul elected. I am rudderless. So far Rand hasn't moved me although unless he screws up pretty badly I will vote for him if he runs and gets the nomination even though I disagree with quite a few things in the R platform. My main concern is getting our civil liberties restored. If that doesn't happen, nothing else matters and it needs to happen soon. However unlike some I am not willing to sell my soul to establishment and neocon hacks, neither politicians nor media. If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing.
 
so as libertyeagle mentioned something about people being ticked off because of presumed political allegiance

following the same logic, i don't owe LP any allegiance either.. so if i ever deem republican party becoming the better more practical libertarian solution, should i choose that 'better' libertarian party over the LP? since i owe LP nothing, ya, i think so. it seems almost as if people are at times arguing not against political allegiance, but that it should go the other way toward LP. how about no
 
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FrankRep said:
All the while you've been banging your head against the wall, Ron Paul has been kicking ass as a GOP Texas Congressman. You still ignore Ron Paul's advice, however.
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Ron Paul's only success was waking some people up.

Personally, I think national and statewide races by LP candidates are pointless, but there's no reason an LP candidate can't do as much as Ron Paul at a local level from a lesser office.
 
I'm not a libertarian, but I think they should run a candidate if they want to. It isn't easy getting ballot access and they owe it to their members to run someone representative of their platform. If individual members of the LP want to vote for Rand, they can and will. That said, it annoyed the crap out of me when they ran a candidate against Amash.
 
FrankRep said:
Ron Paul has been highly successful. I don't understand your need to downplay Ron Paul's success.
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Come on Frank. Don't you want to defend you Governor and how awesome Texas Republicans are? Nevermind the TTC and what a tool your governor is... Luckily GWB picked on stupid and scared city people in Arlington to build his huge hot dog stand against the landowners' will. Keep blowing smoke up our ass about how great the GOP is. I know too well how it just isn't true.
 
torchbearer said:
Didn't say it wasn't possible... but it took more than just GOPers to do it.
And the ones who took the leadership positions in this state came from the LP.
If I have to hear one more snide remark about the LP from some snot-nozed repug, i will lose it.
I can't tell if they are man or pig sometimes.
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as a republican for only a lil longer. I remind all these hypocrites attacking the lp. In the 2008 and 2012 elections the gop candidate was in the same boat as the lp. They lost at the presidential level. Kindafunny watching folks say our vote was wasted when they voted for romney or mccaint. laughable. I will be voting outside the failed gop this election though the gop forced me to vote outside of them in 2008 and 2012 at the presenditial level and i will do it again! The gop will lose with out me and you and us and a huge swath of colorado voters. The gop backed themselves in the corner. I will never buy the gop est BS!! you can smell the crap a mile away.
 
fr33 said:
Some here feel the need to bash the LP. I live in an area dominated by war-mongering GOPers and I usually vote for LP candidates in the general while trying to help liberty-Republicans in the primary. Excuse me CaptLou and AuH20 for not licking the boots that are stomping on my rights and stealing my money and property. The best thing that could happen to Texas would be a 3 way split in the vote because our governor is no better than any democrat. He is Al Gore's spawn and the great "Texas Republicans" are a farce. It was a Republican that threatened to take my land away with the TTC. Forgive me for wishing a pox upon the GOP. They are progressive globalists.
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Some certainly are. But, also remember that Debra Medina was doing quite well in the gubernatorial race prior to the Beck interview.

Thing is, the Republican Party has multiple factions. The big government Rockefeller-Republicans, the big government neo-Trotskyites and the small government constitutionalists.

I am convinced that there are still plenty of people out there who want the kind of America that Reagan talked, but didn't walk. It was his talk that attracted Ron Paul to him; the only difference was that Ron Paul was the real deal.

I am also convinced that there are enough people who would elect someone with that same message, as long as the messenger is able to convey it in the right way.
 
speciallyblend said:
as a republican for only a lil longer. I remind all these hypocrites attacking the lp. In the 2008 and 2012 elections the gop candidate was in the same boat as the lp. They lost at the presidential level. Kindafunny watching folks say our vote was wasted when they voted for romney or mccaint. laughable. I will be voting outside the failed gop this election though the gop forced me to vote outside of them in 2008 and 2012 at the presenditial level and i will do it again! The gop will lose with out me and you and us and a huge swath of colorado voters. The gop backed themselves in the corner. I will never buy the gop est BS!! you can smell the crap a mile away.
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See, you too are making it about political parties! Our only goal should be in getting our candidates elected and we should use whichever ones will work in getting that done. Political parties should be considered as nothing but tools; as inanimate objects. Because that is what they are.
 
LibertyEagle said:
Some certainly are. But, also remember that Debra Medina was doing quite well in the gubernatorial race prior to the Beck interview.

Thing is, the Republican Party has multiple factions. The big government Rockefeller-Republicans, the big government neo-Trotskyites and the small government constitutionalists.

I am convinced that there are still plenty of people out there who want the kind of America that Reagan talked, but didn't walk. It was his talk that attracted Ron Paul to him; the only difference was that Ron Paul was the real deal.

I am also convinced that there are enough people who would elect someone with that same message, as long as the messenger is able to convey it in the right way.
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Glenn Beck is a neocon. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...on-why-you-should-care-about-the-middle-east/

There is no more legitimate reasons to agree with his apology tour to libertarians. He has made it clear that he is not one of us.

So of course he worked against Medina.

What we are witnessing now is those standing up for the Glen Becks while condemning the Medinas.

I live in the Texas GOP and I challenge any LP hater to discover how the LP doesn't respect my rights anymore than a GOPer.

Texas Republicans despise property rights. Libertarians don't.
 
If Texas Republicans gave a damn about the constitution, it would be legal to open carry. They don't respect our rights at all.
 
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