Will Gays Stop Paying Their Taxes Because Of Proposition 8?

This might be the perfect opportunity to sew seeds of libertarian outreach and civil disobedience in the California GLBT community!
 
BuddyRey said:
This might be the perfect opportunity to sew seeds of libertarian outreach and civil disobedience in the California GLBT community!
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Yup! Remind them that, because of democracy, gays cant get married in California.
 
Proposition 8 said nothing at all about gay people or their relationships. It's not discriminatory against gay people, because it doesn't single them out for discrimination.
 
SeanEdwards said:
Proposition 8 said nothing at all about gay people or their relationships. It's not discriminatory against gay people, because it doesn't single them out for discrimination.
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There are over 1,100 benefits and privileges given to married people. Isn't that discrimination?
 
Let 'em quit paying their taxes. They just have sour grapes cuz the voters spoke, AGAIN, for the SECOND time: MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN ONE MAN, AND ONE WOMAN.

Of course, I'm sure California's Ninth Circus Court will pull some bullshit like they did last time, and completey reverse the democratic process...I hate when a person, or a group of persons tries to force thier ideas down my throat after I've alread told them NO. Fucking gays. They're acting like they're a minority group....and they're full of shit.

Homosexuality is NOT an ethnic group, not a nationality, and not a race. It is a personal preference. What's next, are we gonna have laws that protect people who prefer Pepsi over Coke?

That is why states have civil unions, which are the same damn thing, just with out the name, marriage, which the gays covet.

Hey gays! The voters spoke in THREE states. Now, if you don't like it, introduce a new bill, or measure for the next election. Quit subverting the democratic process by crying to the courts and stampeding through the streets like a bunch of fucking cry babies who couldn't get a cookie out of the jar. Fucking dolts!
 
I am very glad the PEOPLE hAVE SPOKEN...in California, Florida and Arizona. While I disagree with the state mandating marriage for anyone...the gays made it political. It was put to a vote and they LOST. PERIOD! Tones
 
robert4rp08 said:
There are over 1,100 benefits and privileges given to married people. Isn't that discrimination?
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How the hell do you discriminate against a PERSONAL PREFERENCE????????

CIVIL UNIONS ARE THE SAME THING!!!!!!! ITS THE NAME, "MARRIAGE" THAT THE GAYS WANT. THEIR AIM IS TO REDEFINE MARRIAGE AND PUSH THEIR PERSONAL CHOICE ON STRAIGHT PEOPLE. They cry about intollerence, yet don't practice what the fuck they preach....
 
robert4rp08 said:
There are over 1,100 benefits and privileges given to married people. Isn't that discrimination?
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No.

How can I explain this...

Veterans receive many benefits. Is that discriminatory towards non-veterans? I'd love to be able to get free medical treatment at the VA, but I'm denied. Is that discrimination?

The "benefits" of marriage are for people who are married. Gay people have exactly the same right to marriage as everyone else, thus it's not discriminatory. Marriage is an institution of one man and one woman. Period. The "benefits" of marriage do not belong to anyone and everyone who claims to be married, any more than VA benefits belong to anyone and everyone who claims to be a veteran.
 
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tonesforjonesbones said:
I am very glad the PEOPLE hAVE SPOKEN...in California, Florida and Arizona. While I disagree with the state mandating marriage for anyone...the gays made it political. It was put to a vote and they LOST. PERIOD! Tones
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They lost TWICE in California. They aim to redefine marriage so they might force their personal choices and beliefs on us. They want to LEGISLATE A CHOICE, A FEELING. They are fucking idiots. I don't care if they're gay, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna have a law forcing me to agree with thier personal choice. FTS.
 
I agree. If it was about benefits..if i were gay this is how i would get around it. If I were in a lesbian relationship...I would find a gay male couple...it would be a marriage of convenience...you don't have to live with the person you are married to i guess...so..if the lesbians married the gay men...they could get the full benefits of marriage (tax breaks or whatever) and just live with their partner. That's how I would handle the financial of it. Tones
 
SeanEdwards said:
No.

How can I explain this...

Veterans receive many benefits. Is that discriminatory towards non-veterans? I'd love to be able to get free medical treatment at the VA, but I'm denied. Is that discrimination?

The "benefits" of marriage are for people who are married. Gay people have exactly the same right to marriage as everyone else, thus it's not discriminatory. Marriage is an institution of one man and one woman. Period. The "benefits" of marriage do not belong to anyone and everyone who claims to be married, anymore than VA benefits belong to anyone and everyone who claims to be a veteran.
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This is exaclty why descrimination laws are stupid. Every decision is based on descrimination. I am descriminating against blondes, brunettes, etc if I chose a red-head solely or partly because of hair color. Should that be outlawed too?
 
SeanEdwards said:
No.

How can I explain this...

Veterans receive many benefits. Is that discriminatory towards non-veterans? I'd love to be able to get free medical treatment at the VA, but I'm denied. Is that discrimination?

The "benefits" of marriage are for people who are married. Gay people have exactly the same right to marriage as everyone else, thus it's not discriminatory. Marriage is an institution of one man and one woman. Period. The "benefits" of marriage do not belong to anyone and everyone who claims to be married, anymore than VA benefits belong to anyone and everyone who claims to be a veteran.
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Very well said. I however, had a Michael Savage moment with my prior rebuttal, and perhaps came of a little harsh...nonetheless, I stand by my words.

I like your comparison. If you want VA bennies, join the military. If you want marriage bennies, get married to a person of the opposite sex. Otherwise, get a civil union and shut the fuck up.
 
LOLLL...it is RIDICULOUS! well..what else do the gays have to bitch about anyway? now they still have something to protest...lolol...tones
 
nodope0695 said:
Let 'em quit paying their taxes. They just have sour grapes cuz the voters spoke, AGAIN, for the SECOND time: MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN ONE MAN, AND ONE WOMAN.
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The democratic process is tyrannical. By what authority can a large group tell two people how they can live their lives when those two people are harming no one?

tonesforjonesbones said:
I am very glad the PEOPLE hAVE SPOKEN...in California, Florida and Arizona.
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Same question for you (see above).
 
tonesforjonesbones said:
I agree. If it was about benefits..if i were gay this is how i would get around it. If I were in a lesbian relationship...I would find a gay male couple...it would be a marriage of convenience...you don't have to live with the person you are married to i guess...so..if the lesbians married the gay men...they could get the full benefits of marriage (tax breaks or whatever) and just live with their partner. That's how I would handle the financial of it. Tones
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If it was about benefits, why doesnt someone start a benefits company catering to gays? It is not like there arnt gay churches or gay-owned anything already.
 
I read that laws are on the books in california that grant gays all the benefits...I swear, I don't know what their bitch is...I think they just need someting to protest about so they can get grants for all their non profits. Tones
 
danberkeley said:
This is exaclty why descrimination laws are stupid. Every decision is based on descrimination. I am descriminating against blondes, brunettes, etc if I chose a red-head solely or partly because of hair color. Should that be outlawed too?
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Hey, I like Coke, you like Pepsi....should I have my own table at the resturaunt? What if I feel guilty about my love of Coke? Should I force my Coke on all Pepsi lovers in order to get validation for my love of Coke? If the Pepsi folks tell me that they prefer their drink, and find my beverage of choice too different to consider, then should I dress up in Coke regalia, and march down the street seeking to force others to agree with my love of Coke? Should I endeavor to force others to accept me for my love, while at the same time disregarding thier personal choice?
 
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