Will Dr. Paul be hurt if he denounces the rebate checks?

[break4me]

I am sure this will be a hot topic tonight in the debate. Will the average person not like the fact that he will probably be the only one to say they are a bad idea?

The average person won't be able to comprehend common sense that we shouldn't give Americans money that is really debt that we never really had in the first place and will end up costing us well more through the interest cost on that money.

However, it will help polarize us since we will be the only one who should say its a bad idea. Anyone with half a brain will only have Paul to look at for a reasonable choice.

Hopefully things go well tonight at the debate. For Ron Paul, they usually do. Plus, Frank will probably not be hosting the after-debate denial fest.

 

[N13]

Ron Paul could say that he is for lower taxes and returing money back to the citizens. The only problem is that the government fails to cut spending. RP's plan is to cut spending and return the savings back to the citizens by lowering the income tax until there is no income tax.

Ron Paul will own this issue.

 

[Kotin]

he will contrast it with a welfare check.


EDIT: Republicans Hate Welfare.

 

[Gadsden Flag]

He should say just what he said on Glenn Beck, that the tax rebates amount to nothing more than welfare checks.

 

[DeafPalmdale]

How about Ron Paul give a basic example for the average Americans can understand? Something like, "Your credit card already maxed and $10,000 debt but you get another credit card". In other words, when you get another credit card, you still get more debt. What do you think?

 

[ErikBlack]

Most Americans are deeply in debt and don't have a clue about running their finances. I think the point will be lost on most. I read somewhere that the average American family has somewhere around $9,000 in credit card debt. I imagine this doesn't even take into consideration how much they owe in car loans, student loans and mortgages.

 

[JMann]

He would be stupid to oppose the rebate in the debate. I would stress that the rebates should only go to people that pay income tax but to not want to return the money to people is not a winning position. I don't see how you can be for getting rid of the income tax and not support the rebate. Any rebate should come with spending cuts.

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

Not if he points out that the government will go into that much more debt by doing so and thus have to tax the people more than it would otherwise, hence the underlying problem goes unsolved.

 

[JMann]

Not if he points out that the government will go into that much more debt by doing so and thus have to tax the people more than it would otherwise, hence the underlying problem goes unsolved.

Except for the fact that the Feds can raise taxes other than the income tax. A rebate (i.e. reduction of the income tax) to those that actually paid the tax can be legit provided it is couple with spending cuts and/or increasing revenues by other means.

 

[flames2dust77]

I STILL don't even understand the point of these rebate checks. It doesn't sound right. All I know is that RP can have mine.

 

[wgadget]

I am sure this will be a hot topic tonight in the debate. Will the average person not like the fact that he will probably be the only one to say they are a bad idea?

The average person won't be able to comprehend common sense that we shouldn't give Americans money that is really debt that we never really had in the first place and will end up costing us well more through the interest cost on that money.

However, it will help polarize us since we will be the only one who should say its a bad idea. Anyone with half a brain will only have Paul to look at for a reasonable choice.

Hopefully things go well tonight at the debate. For Ron Paul, they usually do. Plus, Frank will probably not be hosting the after-debate denial fest.

Well, look at the bright side...Michael Medved will support him if he denounces the rebates.

 

[ethyl]

I've yet to hear about where the money is coming from. I think RP should turn this around on the administration and their liberal spending for the past 2 terms and segue way to his recent news release for his own economic short and long-term solution, elimination of the IRS, elimination of the inheritance tax, elimination of taxes on Social Security benefits, etc...
Or he can bring a laptop and show the audience a cartoon on inflation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LWQQrpSc4

 

[break4me]

Nice, that youtube clip is priceless.

 

[realist]

He should let all the others praise the measure, take a deep breath and then say-

I ask all my fellow americans to stop for a moment and REALLY think about whats going on here - SERIOUSLY...
The government wants a pat on the back for returning money they shouldn't have collected in the first place. And I would be OK with that if thats what it really was- BUT IT ISN'T.

This rebate is just a deception to produce the " illusion " that your getting some of your own tax money back. BUT, the truth is- THIS ISN"T YOUR MONEY AT ALL! THEY ALREADY SPENT THAT. And this isn't my opinion, this a statement of fact that any of you can confirm by contacting the governments general accounting office.

So what is this stimulous package really? What all of us are getting is a "loan" that the governement is taking out in all of our names. The proceeds from that loan won't go to all of us, but we are all committed to pay it back. And even more disturbing, this is a devious loan becuase you were given no say in it. They don't care that you have no idea how long it will take to pay it back. They don't care that you have no idea what the interest rate is. They don't care that you have no idea who will recieve the profits from this loan. I can gaurantee you, that we ARE going to be paying back much more than we're getting.

I challenge any candidate up here to refute what I'm saying. I know they can't becuase what I'm telling you is the plain truth- The government wants you to be happy becasue they took out a loan without your consent, that you are expected to pay back even if you don't get a penny out of it. And even if you do get a few dollars out of it, you will be paying back those dollars plus interest to God nows who and for God knows how long. And they expect us to be happy about this? Really?

Folks, we need to wake up to the reality that isn't free money and we should stop pretending it is.

Now- I have published a real stimulous package that I encourage all of you to take a look at - at RONPAUL2008.com. It addresses our short term problems and lays the foundation for a strong, self sustaining economy for the long term.

These are real and important differences between me and my opponents on this stage. If you really think this current plan makes sense, my opponents would be happy to give you more of the same. If you believe as I do that our current course makes no sense, then please consider my plan and see for yourself if it seems more logical to you.

 

[shadowhooch]

It's all how you word it....he should NOT condemn the rebate. Many people are very very very happy to get $600+ back.

He should simply state, "While the rebate is good, it is only temporary. As President, I would address the REAL problem by making the rebate PERMANENT through the elimination of several taxes including taxes on your tips, taxes on your social security income, taxes on capital gains, and even the income tax. This will coincide with major cuts in spending overseas and freezes on domestic spending levels. It is YOUR money, the government is merely deciding to give some of it back to you. I will let you keep it and not take it from you in the first place."

(Solution based, Positive spin, not negative. Ron Paul too often condemns things without offering the alternative positive solution).

 

[redsrule2500]

I am sure this will be a hot topic tonight in the debate. Will the average person not like the fact that he will probably be the only one to say they are a bad idea?

The average person won't be able to comprehend common sense that we shouldn't give Americans money that is really debt that we never really had in the first place and will end up costing us well more through the interest cost on that money.

However, it will help polarize us since we will be the only one who should say its a bad idea. Anyone with half a brain will only have Paul to look at for a reasonable choice.

Hopefully things go well tonight at the debate. For Ron Paul, they usually do. Plus, Frank will probably not be hosting the after-debate denial fest.

This is why you play to the voters. Sad, but true. Voters are retarded and prefer to hear one liners and cute jokes.

PAUL does need to stand up for himself and bash others a little more IMO....take a firm stance as a hardcore conservative and following ONLY the constitution - what our country was founded on and old fashioned conservatism.

 

[Basilieus]

All he needs to say is that when you do these type of stimulus plans, it just puts a bandage on it.

If you actually look to fix the problem people will get MORE of their money and in the long run would help the economy and our future generation, but putting a patch on it doesn't help our future.

 

[RonRules]

Ron Paul will OWN that question. I'm not worried one bit.

 

[RonRules]

It's all how you word it....he should NOT condemn the rebate. Many people are very very very happy to get $600+ back.

He should simply state, "While the rebate is good, it is only temporary. As President, I would address the REAL problem by making the rebate PERMANENT through the elimination of several taxes including taxes on your tips, taxes on your social security income, taxes on capital gains, and even the income tax. This will coincide with major cuts in spending overseas and freezes on domestic spending levels. It is YOUR money, the government is merely deciding to give some of it back to you. I will let you keep it and not take it from you in the first place."

(Solution based, Positive spin, not negative. Ron Paul too often condemns things without offering the alternative positive solution).

Well said. That's a typical Ron Paul response. Email that to the campaign staff.

 

[RSLudlum]

I think the Huckster will try to compare it to the 'prebate' concept in the Fair Tax.