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Will Biden be replaced?
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Personally I'd like Biden to stay in the race so I can finally witness a Democratic president lose reelection. If I don't get that this year, I'll have to wait several decades for that opportunity to come again.
You weren't around for Carter? I feel old now.
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Jimmy Carter can die now knowing he lived long enough to no longer be the worst US president in history.
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Beyond the DNC formalities, was thinking that the Covid-19 claim and symptoms will be used as the excuse.
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I'm assuming that XITTER posting was tongue-in-cheek, because the Democrats changed their rules to allow a virtual nomination process. That was initially to allow them to get their nominee listed on the Ohio ballot (the deadline had been prior to the Democratic Convention). If Biden drops out, that virtual process is going to be "interesting" (probably fixed to nominate Harris). But, given that Ohio had "fixed" the ballot deadline issue, there are now calls from Democrats to do away with, or at least delay, the virtual nomination.
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Biden won’t drop out, campaign insists in a new memo
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/19/biden-wont-drop-out-campaign-insists-in-new-memo-.html
{Josephine Rozzelle | 19 July 2024
“While voters consistently mention President Biden’s age when contacted, our target voters — both reengagement and true swing voters — are still planning to vote for him, making it clear the debate has not hurt support among the voters who will decide this election,” says the memo, first reported by NBC News.
“Joe Biden has made it more than clear: he’s in this race and he’s in it to win it. Moreover, he’s the presumptive nominee, there is no plan for an alternative nominee,” the memo said.
On Thursday night, Sen. Jon Tester of Montana became the second Democratic senator to publicly call on the president to drop out. On Friday morning, Illinois Rep. Sean Casten became the 21st House Democrat to do so.
The Montana senator’s statement came on the heels of reporting that both Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have spoken with Biden in recent days to tell him that his presidential bid may cost the party both chambers of Congress in November.
“In a few short weeks, Joe Biden will be the official nominee. It is high past time we stop fighting one another,” the Kanninen memo said. “The only person who wins when we fight is Donald Trump.”
But Kanninen acknowledged that many polls show Biden trailing Trump, writing, “I will not sugar coat the state of the race: we have our work cut out for us to win this November.”
Biden, who on Wednesday tested positive for Covid-19, is currently self-isolating in Rehoboth, Delaware.
Biden campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Friday that the president will be back on the campaign trail next week.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/19/biden-wont-drop-out-campaign-insists-in-new-memo-.html
{Josephine Rozzelle | 19 July 2024
- President Joe Biden will remain at the top of the Democratic ticket, his campaign insists in a new memo obtained by NBC News.
- The memo from the campaign’s battleground states director Dan Kanninen stresses that while lawmakers increasingly call on the president to step down, Biden still has the support of voters.
- But Kanninen acknowledged that many polls show Biden trailing Trump, writing, “I will not sugar coat the state of the race: we have our work cut out for us to win this November.”
“While voters consistently mention President Biden’s age when contacted, our target voters — both reengagement and true swing voters — are still planning to vote for him, making it clear the debate has not hurt support among the voters who will decide this election,” says the memo, first reported by NBC News.
“Joe Biden has made it more than clear: he’s in this race and he’s in it to win it. Moreover, he’s the presumptive nominee, there is no plan for an alternative nominee,” the memo said.
On Thursday night, Sen. Jon Tester of Montana became the second Democratic senator to publicly call on the president to drop out. On Friday morning, Illinois Rep. Sean Casten became the 21st House Democrat to do so.
The Montana senator’s statement came on the heels of reporting that both Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have spoken with Biden in recent days to tell him that his presidential bid may cost the party both chambers of Congress in November.
“In a few short weeks, Joe Biden will be the official nominee. It is high past time we stop fighting one another,” the Kanninen memo said. “The only person who wins when we fight is Donald Trump.”
But Kanninen acknowledged that many polls show Biden trailing Trump, writing, “I will not sugar coat the state of the race: we have our work cut out for us to win this November.”
Biden, who on Wednesday tested positive for Covid-19, is currently self-isolating in Rehoboth, Delaware.
Biden campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Friday that the president will be back on the campaign trail next week.
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DNC moves forward with Biden virtual roll call despite furious backlash from some Democrats
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/poli...mmitee-joe-biden-virtual-roll-call/index.html
{MJ Lee | 17 July 2024}
The Democratic National Committee is moving ahead with its controversial plan to virtually nominate President Joe Biden ahead of the Democratic convention in Chicago next month – ignoring the growing calls from some of the party’s elected officials to ditch that strategy given the serious ongoing debate about whether the president should continue to seek a second term.
According to an email sent to members of the convention rules committee within that was obtained by CNN, the committee will proceed with a previously scheduled meeting on Friday to deliberate – and begin to set in motion – the steps and timeline for virtually nominating Biden.
The letter notably states that “no virtual voting will begin before August 1” – a new decision that appears aimed at addressing the fury inside the party that was prompted by reporting from CNN and other outlets that some Biden allies have been quietly pushing to fast-track the virtual roll call.
Wednesday’s letter, which makes clear that the DNC is doubling down on its virtual nomination plan, now sets up a key deadline for Democrats by which to resolve questions around Biden’s candidacy. While it could be possible for the party to revisit the results of the vote at the convention in Chicago, the DNC has long made clear that it is committed to locking in their nominee before the convention begins – and specifically before August 7, which, they say, is critical to ensure ballot access in a state like Ohio.
“Our discussion on Friday of how the Convention will operate will include discussion of a virtual voting element, which will end before the in-person Convention,” the letter says. “We will elaborate on the reasoning below as to why a virtual vote is the wisest approach, and will explain how a virtual vote would work.”
A growing faction of House Democrats, convinced that Biden is too politically damaged to defeat Donald Trump in November, has been calling on the DNC to ditch the virtual nomination plans altogether, and a draft letter is circulating among Democratic lawmakers calling on the party to slow down the process, as CNN reported.
In Wednesday’s letter, the co-chairs of the rules committee alluded to reports of Biden allies hoping to accelerate the virtual roll call, writing: “No matter what may be reported, our goal is not to fast-track.”
“None of this will be rushed,” they said.
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries was involved in the lobbying push by Democrats to delay the DNC’s virtual roll call vote past August 1, according to multiple sources. Jeffries was relaying concerns he was hearing from his members, many of whom were furious that the DNC was considering holding the vote next week. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer also pushed for the delay, according to a source familiar with the matter.
Jeffries has publicly maintained he supports Biden atop the ticket, even as panic is growing in Democratic ranks over Biden’s chances.
Appearing on “CNN News Central” Wednesday, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a co-chair of the DNC’s rules committee and one of the letter’s authors, also rejected suggestions that the DNC is trying to fast-track Biden’s nomination.
“No, I don’t think it behooves us to fall into conspiracy theories. The Republicans have cornered the market on that,” Walz said. “Look, this is the process that we’ve done. There is nothing going to happen on Friday other than to start to set the rules. Again, if our convention would have been held last month, then no one would be talking about this, but we have to get the work done,” he added.
He was referring to the initial rationale for the virtual roll call process, which was intended to step around an issue in Ohio that threatened to leave Biden off the ballot in that state if he wasn’t nominated by August 7. Lawmakers in Ohio have since passed a law to make that issue moot, but the DNC has pointed to the potential of a legal challenge by Ohio Republicans for moving forward with the virtual roll call anyway.
In his letter, Walz and co-chair Leah Daughtry defend the virtual vote “because it ensures ballot access in the states that we need to win in November and avoids potential risks if there is delay in the process.” In addition to Ohio, Walz and Daughtry cite other state deadlines that fall during the in-person convention, some of which they say, require documents to be filed in person.
“We cannot and should not allow these timing complications to jeopardize whether the Democratic ticket appears on the ballot in must-win states,” they say.
Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett, who was the first House member to publicly call for Biden to drop out, said Wednesday that the DNC should drop the push for virtual roll call.
“My call for President Biden to step aside remains even more urgent. Our decision must consider the reality of steadily, worsening poll numbers, not just more wishful thinking. The risk of Trump tyranny is so great that we must put forward our strongest nominee.”
He added of the DNC: “Fast-forwarding the nomination process is no way to convince the many unconvinced voters in the growing number of battleground states. Those so eager to overly protect President Biden ignore his own words inviting anyone questioning his nomination to do so at the Convention.”
Rep. Jared Huffman, a progressive Democrat from California, told CNN on Tuesday that there is a “growing number of members” concerned about the virtual roll call vote, calling it a “terrible idea” and a “dumb thing.”
“If the election were held today, he would get crushed,” Huffman said of Biden. “We have got to do something about it.”
A spokesperson for Huffman told CNN that in light of the DNC letter to hold a virtual roll call in August, they will not be sending their formal letter calling on the party to delay nominating Biden that was circulated earlier this week. Huffman had drafted a letter to House Democrats to delay Biden’s nomination until delegates gathered at the convention.
The spokesperson said that the California congressman is pleased to see the pressure members were putting on the DNC not to hold a virtual roll call by the end of July was successful.
DNC moves forward with Biden virtual roll call despite furious backlash from some Democrats
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/poli...mmitee-joe-biden-virtual-roll-call/index.html
{MJ Lee | 17 July 2024}
The Democratic National Committee is moving ahead with its controversial plan to virtually nominate President Joe Biden ahead of the Democratic convention in Chicago next month – ignoring the growing calls from some of the party’s elected officials to ditch that strategy given the serious ongoing debate about whether the president should continue to seek a second term.
According to an email sent to members of the convention rules committee within that was obtained by CNN, the committee will proceed with a previously scheduled meeting on Friday to deliberate – and begin to set in motion – the steps and timeline for virtually nominating Biden.
The letter notably states that “no virtual voting will begin before August 1” – a new decision that appears aimed at addressing the fury inside the party that was prompted by reporting from CNN and other outlets that some Biden allies have been quietly pushing to fast-track the virtual roll call.
Wednesday’s letter, which makes clear that the DNC is doubling down on its virtual nomination plan, now sets up a key deadline for Democrats by which to resolve questions around Biden’s candidacy. While it could be possible for the party to revisit the results of the vote at the convention in Chicago, the DNC has long made clear that it is committed to locking in their nominee before the convention begins – and specifically before August 7, which, they say, is critical to ensure ballot access in a state like Ohio.
“Our discussion on Friday of how the Convention will operate will include discussion of a virtual voting element, which will end before the in-person Convention,” the letter says. “We will elaborate on the reasoning below as to why a virtual vote is the wisest approach, and will explain how a virtual vote would work.”
A growing faction of House Democrats, convinced that Biden is too politically damaged to defeat Donald Trump in November, has been calling on the DNC to ditch the virtual nomination plans altogether, and a draft letter is circulating among Democratic lawmakers calling on the party to slow down the process, as CNN reported.
In Wednesday’s letter, the co-chairs of the rules committee alluded to reports of Biden allies hoping to accelerate the virtual roll call, writing: “No matter what may be reported, our goal is not to fast-track.”
“None of this will be rushed,” they said.
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries was involved in the lobbying push by Democrats to delay the DNC’s virtual roll call vote past August 1, according to multiple sources. Jeffries was relaying concerns he was hearing from his members, many of whom were furious that the DNC was considering holding the vote next week. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer also pushed for the delay, according to a source familiar with the matter.
Jeffries has publicly maintained he supports Biden atop the ticket, even as panic is growing in Democratic ranks over Biden’s chances.
Appearing on “CNN News Central” Wednesday, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a co-chair of the DNC’s rules committee and one of the letter’s authors, also rejected suggestions that the DNC is trying to fast-track Biden’s nomination.
“No, I don’t think it behooves us to fall into conspiracy theories. The Republicans have cornered the market on that,” Walz said. “Look, this is the process that we’ve done. There is nothing going to happen on Friday other than to start to set the rules. Again, if our convention would have been held last month, then no one would be talking about this, but we have to get the work done,” he added.
He was referring to the initial rationale for the virtual roll call process, which was intended to step around an issue in Ohio that threatened to leave Biden off the ballot in that state if he wasn’t nominated by August 7. Lawmakers in Ohio have since passed a law to make that issue moot, but the DNC has pointed to the potential of a legal challenge by Ohio Republicans for moving forward with the virtual roll call anyway.
In his letter, Walz and co-chair Leah Daughtry defend the virtual vote “because it ensures ballot access in the states that we need to win in November and avoids potential risks if there is delay in the process.” In addition to Ohio, Walz and Daughtry cite other state deadlines that fall during the in-person convention, some of which they say, require documents to be filed in person.
“We cannot and should not allow these timing complications to jeopardize whether the Democratic ticket appears on the ballot in must-win states,” they say.
Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett, who was the first House member to publicly call for Biden to drop out, said Wednesday that the DNC should drop the push for virtual roll call.
“My call for President Biden to step aside remains even more urgent. Our decision must consider the reality of steadily, worsening poll numbers, not just more wishful thinking. The risk of Trump tyranny is so great that we must put forward our strongest nominee.”
He added of the DNC: “Fast-forwarding the nomination process is no way to convince the many unconvinced voters in the growing number of battleground states. Those so eager to overly protect President Biden ignore his own words inviting anyone questioning his nomination to do so at the Convention.”
Rep. Jared Huffman, a progressive Democrat from California, told CNN on Tuesday that there is a “growing number of members” concerned about the virtual roll call vote, calling it a “terrible idea” and a “dumb thing.”
“If the election were held today, he would get crushed,” Huffman said of Biden. “We have got to do something about it.”
A spokesperson for Huffman told CNN that in light of the DNC letter to hold a virtual roll call in August, they will not be sending their formal letter calling on the party to delay nominating Biden that was circulated earlier this week. Huffman had drafted a letter to House Democrats to delay Biden’s nomination until delegates gathered at the convention.
The spokesperson said that the California congressman is pleased to see the pressure members were putting on the DNC not to hold a virtual roll call by the end of July was successful.
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{Auron MacIntyre @AuronMacintyre | 19 July 2024}
The media has basically laid siege to the Biden presidency, running endless stories about his inevitable resignation
Trump obviously took for granted going in that he would have this level of hostility, but Democrats assume slavish press compliance /1
The press have been running cover for Biden his entire presidency, which is the only way he could ever even pretend to function, but now journalists are running any and every roomer of disfunction or concession they hear as fact in the hopes of pressuring the old husk out 2/
The press waited a whole day before going back to calling Trump Hitler and wishing death upon him, anyone who thought the regime was going to slow things down or take the obvious off ramp to national unity has not been paying attention 3/
The fervor for defeating Trump will only become more intense but this creates a difficult balancing act for the left
Any idiot can see the disastrous contrast between Trump and Biden now so the need to replace the current president is greatly magnified 4/
But the longer the media try to spend leveraging Biden out the more they damage what little electability he has left if they end up stuck with him
They also reduce the amount of time available to install and support a suitable replacement 5/
Biden is too senile to care about pressure from the press and his family is too desperate for power and privilege to fold which means the normal lines of manipulation for the media aren't available 6/
But the Biden administration must now govern in opposition to the press
Again a Republican assumes this is the case but for the left the press and bureaucracy basically ARE the government
Democrats rely heavily on this dynamic to get anything done 7/
Obviously the press apply pressure whenever a Dem president isn't progressive enough, but when is the last time one had to operate, not just without the media assistance, but indirect opposition? 8/
At some point Biden will break or the media will cut its losses and return full focus to Trump, I'm guessing the latter, but this is a fascinating moment to understand the real forces that govern the United States 9/9
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{Auron MacIntyre @AuronMacintyre | 19 July 2024}
The media has basically laid siege to the Biden presidency, running endless stories about his inevitable resignation
Trump obviously took for granted going in that he would have this level of hostility, but Democrats assume slavish press compliance /1
The press have been running cover for Biden his entire presidency, which is the only way he could ever even pretend to function, but now journalists are running any and every roomer of disfunction or concession they hear as fact in the hopes of pressuring the old husk out 2/
The press waited a whole day before going back to calling Trump Hitler and wishing death upon him, anyone who thought the regime was going to slow things down or take the obvious off ramp to national unity has not been paying attention 3/
The fervor for defeating Trump will only become more intense but this creates a difficult balancing act for the left
Any idiot can see the disastrous contrast between Trump and Biden now so the need to replace the current president is greatly magnified 4/
But the longer the media try to spend leveraging Biden out the more they damage what little electability he has left if they end up stuck with him
They also reduce the amount of time available to install and support a suitable replacement 5/
Biden is too senile to care about pressure from the press and his family is too desperate for power and privilege to fold which means the normal lines of manipulation for the media aren't available 6/
But the Biden administration must now govern in opposition to the press
Again a Republican assumes this is the case but for the left the press and bureaucracy basically ARE the government
Democrats rely heavily on this dynamic to get anything done 7/
Obviously the press apply pressure whenever a Dem president isn't progressive enough, but when is the last time one had to operate, not just without the media assistance, but indirect opposition? 8/
At some point Biden will break or the media will cut its losses and return full focus to Trump, I'm guessing the latter, but this is a fascinating moment to understand the real forces that govern the United States 9/9
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I can't see anyone but Biden being nominated; for the simple fact that any candidate accepting the nomination after Biden dropped out would be committing political suicide. All of the available alternatives would be better served if they waited until 2028 - a path that wouldn't be available to them if they ran and lost in 2024. I suppose that's why Harris is being touted as the only viable option - no one cares if her career comes to an end.
It'll be interesting to see if the big money donors continue to withhold their contributions through election day (down ballot as well as the top of the ticket).
It'll be interesting to see if the big money donors continue to withhold their contributions through election day (down ballot as well as the top of the ticket).
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Assassination is a fully-committed "must-win" move. If you "almost" assassinate the opponent, you guarantee your loss. I see no D-plays remaining on the board. Doesn't mean they won't keep trying to take Trump down in any way they can, but they really blew it.
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