Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence

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http://20committee.com/2015/08/31/wikileaks-is-a-front-for-russian-intelligence/
The part played by Wikileaks in the Edward Snowden saga is an important one. The pivotal role of Julian Assange and other leading members of Wikileaks in getting Snowden from Hawaii to Moscow, from NSA employment to FSB protection, in the late spring of 2013 is a matter of record.

For years there have been questions about just what Wikileaks actually is. I know because I’ve been among those asking. Over two years ago, little more than two weeks after Snowden landed in Moscow, I explained my concerns about Wikileaks based on my background in counterintelligence. Specifically, the role of the Russian anti-Semite weirdo Israel Shamir, a close friend of Assange, in the Wikileaks circle merited attention, and to anyone trained in the right clues, the Assange group gave the impression of having a relationship with Russian intelligence. As I summed up my position in July 2013, based on what we knew so far:

It’s especially important given the fact that Wikileaks is playing a leading role in the Snowden case, to the dismay of some of Ed’s admirers and even members of his family. Not to mention that Snowden, as of this writing, is still in Moscow. One need not be a counterintelligence guru to have serious questions about Shamir and Wikileaks here. It may be a much bigger part of the story than it appears to the naked eye.

Evidence that Wikileaks is not what it seems to be has mounted over the years. Assange’s RT show didn’t help matters, neither did the fact that, despite having claimed to possess secret Russian intelligence files, Wikileaks has never exposed anything sensitive, as they have done with the purloined files of many other countries. To say nothing of Assange & Co. taking unmistakably pro-Russian positions on a host of controversial issues. Questions logically followed.

Now answers are appearing. It’s long been known that Wikileaks, by their own admission, counseled Ed Snowden in June 2013 to leave Hong Kong and head to Moscow. Contrary to the countless lies propagated by Snowden Operation activists, Snowden’s arrival in Russia was his choice; it had nothing to do with canceled passports in Washington, DC.

An important gap has been filled this week by Julian Assange, who admitted that Snowden going to Moscow was his idea. Ed wanted to head to Latin America, Julian asserted, especially Ecuador, whose London embassy Assange has been hiding out in for years on the lam from rape changes in Sweden. As Assange explained, “He preferred Latin America, but my advice was that he should take asylum in Russia despite the negative PR consequences, because my assessment is that he had a significant risk he could be kidnapped from Latin America on CIA orders. Kidnapped or possibly killed.”

Only in Russia would Ed be safe, Julian counseled, because there he would be protected by Vladimir Putin and his secret services, notably the FSB. One might think that seeking the shelter of the FSB — one of the world’s nastiest secret police forces that spies on millions without warrant and murders opponents freely — might be an odd choice for a “privacy organization.” But Wikileaks is no ordinary NGO.

Why Assange knew Russia would take in Snowden — it could be a big political hassle for Moscow — is a key question that any counterintelligence officer would want answered. Was Julian speaking on behalf of the FSB or did he just “know” Ed could obtain the sanctuary plus protection he sought?

Just as telling is the recent report on Assange’s activities in Ecuador’s London embassy, where it turns out Ecuadorian intelligence has been keeping tabs on him. Which is no surprise given the PR mess Assange has created for Ecuador with his on-going antics.

Especially interesting is the revelation that, while holed up in London, Assange “requested that he be able to chose his own Security Service inside the embassy, suggesting the use of Russian operatives.” It is, to say the least, surpassingly strange that a Western “privacy advocate” wants Russian secret police protection while hiding out in a Western country. The original Spanish is clear: Assange “habría sido la elección de su propio Servicio de Seguridad en el interior de la embajada, llegando a proponer la participación de operadores de nacionalidad rusa.”

Why Assange wants FSB bodyguards is a question every journalist who encounters Julian henceforth should ask. Until he explains that, Wikileaks should be treated as the front and cut-out for Russian intelligence that it has become, while those who get in bed with Wikileaks — many Western “privacy advocates” are in that group — should be asked their feelings about their own at least indirect ties with Putin’s spy services.

P.S. For those familiar with espionage history, there is a clear precedent for such an arrangement. In 1978 the magazine Covert Action Information Bulletin appeared to expose the secrets of US and Western intelligence. Its editor was Phil Agee, a former CIA officer who had gotten into bed with Cuban and Soviet intelligence; think of Agee as the Snowden of the pre-Internet era. CAIB was in fact founded on the direction of the KGB and for years served as a conduit for Kremlin lies and disinformation that seriously harmed Western intelligence. While CAIB presented itself as a radical truth-telling group, in actuality it was a KGB front, though few CAIB staffers beyond Agee knew who was really calling the shots. One suspects much the same is happening with Wikileaks.

This is a pretty damning article...and it doesn't help the cause of whistle blowers.
 
There is a lot of influence that Russia is directly working with them. That compromises their integrity.

Are you saying that because they work with Russia that makes the leaks false? The U.S. is more than welcome to set up a competing organization and leak info about things the Russian government is doing.
 
Especially interesting is the revelation that, while holed up in London, Assange “requested that he be able to chose his own Security Service inside the embassy, suggesting the use of Russian operatives.” It is, to say the least, surpassingly strange that a Western “privacy advocate” wants Russian secret police protection while hiding out in a Western country.
Really not all that interesting when one considers the history of Western allies disappearing people onto secret flights, to secret prisons, to conduct secret torture campaigns.

If I thought another imperial power would prevent this, or at least, trusted them to do more to protect me than the people actively looking to torture, imprison, or murder me, I'd probably go ahead and accept their security as well.

The whole article is ridiculous.

It is akin to implying Snowden is a Russian spy because he is in Russia. If one considers that most of the Western world would extradite Snowden for a sham of a trial, and that Russia, at least at the moment, won't, things start to make a little more sense.

Furthermore, even if it is a Russian front, so what? Taking the article at face value I would say, "Good for the Russians in bringing this information to the light." Perhaps I'm a little more realistic as I did not live through the red scare.

I don't care if the devil himself released the information. It should be in the public.

Frankly it says something that certain whistleblowers who expose government crimes are better protected in Russia than in America. I can understand why that might irk the exceptionalists but for me I really just find it amazing.
 
There is a lot of influence that Russia is directly working with them. That compromises their integrity.


That compromises their integrity

Are you aware that America is being distrusted an disliked on a higher level around the global? even if they are working with the Russians so what of it? i am quite your are one of those guys that want Edward Snowden arrested to.

If America has being trustworthy why hasn't its own government or former Intel people set a organization and leak info about things the American government is doing then?
 
Are you aware that America is being distrusted an disliked on a higher level around the global? even if they are working with the Russians so what of it? i am quite your are one of those guys that want Edward Snowden arrested to.

If America has being trustworthy why hasn't its own government or former Intel people set a organization and leak info about things the American government is doing then?
It is a huge problem if national security information can get sent to the Russians.
I don't want Snowden arrested...actually the way I read it, it seems as if he has been manipulated by Assange.
 
I don't find the article persuasive at all. You don't have to be a Russian spy to conclude that Russia is much better prepared, and motivated, to protect Snowden from the USA than a third-world Latin American country.
 
Specifically, the role of the Russian anti-Semite weirdo Israel Shamir

Was this article written by Bill Kristol or Jeffrey Toobin? Any time people use the word "anti-semite" to describe anyone, I automatically roll my eyes. The OP still thinks we are living in the 80's where the big bad Russian government is actually scarier then our current government.
 
Bottom line is Russia is playing the moral high card over the U.S. post 911.

Thanks Neo-cons
 
Former NSA Officer: Wikileaks Is A Front For Russian Intelligence And Snowden's (Probably) A Spy
from the every-time-I-say-it-out-loud,-it-becomes-more-true dept
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...sian-intelligence-snowdens-probably-spy.shtml
To operate effectively, agents must have a clearly-defined enemy. But the real world is often uncooperative and fails to provide irredeemable villains. Incidents like the recent high profile leaks of Manning and Snowden further cloud the issue. Sure, there's the alleged "exceptionally grave damage" to national security, but much of what's exposed hasn't made the citizens being "defended" by the exposed entities any happier, or feel any less safe. So, when the enemies fail to hold the masses in thrall, what's a former NSA agent to do? The usual narrative isn't working and there's no clear consensus that Snowden, Manning or their mutual associate, Julian Assange are villains. Faced with the untidiness of the current reality, former NSA officer John Schindler has built his own "reality," and it's as insane as it is ugly.
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Schindler seems to desperately want Snowden to be a tool of the Russian intelligence agencies and feels he has collected enough dots to say that Snowden is definitely in Russia and another entity he doesn't care for (Wikileaks) helped him out. Therefore, Wikileaks is a "fake activist group" created by the Russian government. But he willingly leaps across several logical gaps without presenting any supporting evidence other than "I've said this several times before." In other words, "Source: Me."

 
this thread just makes me remember the opening scene from Austin Powers... "...Russian Intelligence... are you mad?"
 
There is a lot of influence that Russia is directly working with them. That compromises their integrity.

So you post an article written by an NSA employee (or former) and then you claim that it is pretty "damning." Right.... Do you realize that the NSA HATES Snowden? Are you going to post an article by Bill Kristol on the virtues of war next?
 
Looks like OP is just spreading NSA propaganda....

How Surveillance-State Insiders Try to Discredit NSA Critics

Who has done more than anyone else to increase public understanding of what the National Security Agency does? A top-10 list would have to include James Bamford, its first and most prolific journalistic chronicler, and Glenn Greenwald, a primary recipient of classified documents leaked months ago by whistleblower Edward Snowden. Over the weekend, I engaged in a back-and-forth with a former NSA employee who harshly criticized both (and me, too) with words that illuminate how some insiders view the press and the national-security state.

His name is John R. Schindler. In his own words, he is a "professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, where he’s been since 2005, and where he teaches courses on security, strategy, intelligence, terrorism, and occasionally military history." He previously spent "nearly a decade with the National Security Agency as an intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer," and he is "a senior fellow of the International History Institute at Boston University and is chairman of the Partnership for Peace Consortium's Combating Terrorism Working Group, a unique body which brings together scholars and practitioners from more than two dozen countries across Eurasia to tackle problems of terrorism, extremism, and political violence." In addition, his blog (hxxp://20committee.com/)has some smart commentary on it.

read the rest here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...insiders-try-to-discredit-nsa-critics/281941/
 
It is a huge problem if national security information can get sent to the Russians.
I don't want Snowden arrested...actually the way I read it, it seems as if he has been manipulated by Assange.

The US government shouldn't even HAVE secrets unless we are in, or about to be in, a legitimate war.

And I find it absurd to suggest that Ed Snowden, who managed to hack the NSA from the inside, escape the country, negotiate a safe haven in the incredibly risky and complex world of international intrigue, and take time to speak eloquently about the risks we face and why he did what he did, is somehow just a stupid pawn to Wikileaks.
 
Again, bumping a thread with an interesting OP
does not mean that I agree with it to a hundred
percentile. If we are still inside the Cold War, this
thread hints at Robert Mueller's focus. Is Assange
a traitor? Is Trump a Traitor? Or is this hyperbole?
 
Again, bumping a thread with an interesting OP
does not mean that I agree with it to a hundred
percentile. If we are still inside the Cold War, this
thread hints at Robert Mueller's focus. Is Assange
a traitor? Is Trump a Traitor? Or is this hyperbole?

Is Aratus insane?:rolleyes:
 
Again, bumping a thread with an interesting OP
does not mean that I agree with it to a hundred
percentile. If we are still inside the Cold War, this
thread hints at Robert Mueller's focus. Is Assange
a traitor? Is Trump a Traitor? Or is this hyperbole?

Mueller is a traitor.
 
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