Why YOU should get into reloading. Yes, YOU.

[Cap]

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[1000-points-of-fright]

Oh and fwiw, I bought an airsoft G34 replica for CQB practice - in Arizona there are no limits to airsofting on your own property, and with a velocity of 380fps you can fire at printed paper targets into a cloth lined cardboard box which costs $2 to put together... and you can reuse the 5000 .2g bb's you bought for $8. Also - get a green gas propane converter and end up buying the gas for 20% of the cost. It's becoming relatively standard for LE and Military personally to train with airsoft guns - it's cheap, it's a pretty good sim, you can find groups that have airsoft 'wars' and practice actual tactics, and the cost of entry is very very very low. (the g34 replica by KWA was $102 shipped from a seller on ebay) Just a thought for those who really feel that they can't reload and don't have the money to practice as much as they would like.

How do those airsofts compare to the real thing weight-wise? What about recoil? Do they simulate recoil in anyway?

 

[Matt]

It's really great you are sharing your knowledge with us. Unfortunately as someone who shoots a pistol and other than some knowledge of safety and basic technique (not a gun nut or smith) I look at the information and it is lost on me. It's not a lack of desire to reload, it just seems to me to be one of those things that I need to be shown - not read. Not sure why, but it seems incredibly complicated and potentially dangerous.

Just look on YouTube, there are tons of videos on reloading. I haven't reloaded anything yet but I have a pretty good idea of how it works just from videos. Doktor Jeep casts his own bullets which saves money but is a lot more work, even if you buy factory made bullets it will still be cheaper to reload.

 

[virgil47]

One caveat folks. Never, never use reloaded ammo for personal or home defense. It will be used against you in a court of law with statements such as " you reloaded that ammo for the express purpose of killing people didn't you". If you use reloads for self protection and end up in court you are in a no win situation. Always use the same ammo that your local law enforcement agency uses as a court cannot and will not try to vilify your choice of ammo because it throws the local LEOs in a bad light. Plus the fact that the LEOs tend to use very effective ammo. Just my $.02 worth.

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

Actually my reliable hard cast reloads for defense.

I shoot well enough and use enough power that my bullet need not turn into a little buzz saw inside of the target. I am trying to change the motivation of an attacker, not drop a Rhino.

And if I can't make the shot, then it's melee. Guns are tools. I am the weapon.

 

[virgil47]

Doktor, you missed the entire reason for my post. The fact is handloads can work as well as commercial ammo for personal defense. However it is also a fact that if you ever have to use your weapon in self defense the type of ammo that you used will become a factor if you should find yourself in court. Handloads WILL be used against you. If you use those nasty little hollow point bullets that your local police use then your choice of ammo will not be used against you in court. Your choice of ammo may very well determine the outcome of any court proceedings you are involved in. If you still insist on using handloaded ammo be my guest and I may write to you during your stay in the bighouse.

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

Doktor, you missed the entire reason for my post. The fact is handloads can work as well as commercial ammo for personal defense. However it is also a fact that if you ever have to use your weapon in self defense the type of ammo that you used will become a factor if you should find yourself in court. Handloads WILL be used against you. If you use those nasty little hollow point bullets that your local police use then your choice of ammo will not be used against you in court. Your choice of ammo may very well determine the outcome of any court proceedings you are involved in. If you still insist on using handloaded ammo be my guest and I may write to you during your stay in the bighouse.

I never saw, in all those cases, where those who used .22 caliber and other odd-ball cailbers to defend themselves got jacked up for not using what the police use.

I will not engage in a back and forth argument with you on this one. I will use what I have and that's that.

And if you think using cop bullets will protect you if you have a anti-gun DA who wants to make an example of you, and your jury is 12 sheep without a clue, then you need to revue the Olafson case.

 

[hairball]

All one has to do, to find the definitive word on using handloads for personal defense, is read the many writings of Massad Ayoob. He has been a court advocate in halping home-owners surviver the post-shooting court room debacles.

Handloads will get you tried. Factory stuff won't. I LOVE my .45 Black Talons in my Para-Ord. What can you say about a round that will empty 70% of the cranial capacity in a ehad shot? Read that in an FBI after action report and autopsy. Balance of penetration and expansion, and that is what you want.

 

[Deborah K]

We've talked about reloading. We bought a sh&t load of ammo about a year ago ( several thousand rounds for our six weapons). We're survivalists and also Minutemen. We patrol the border once a month, and we carry side arms, so we practise quite often. I've actually become a pretty good shot. But yeah, this is a great idea.

 

[amy31416]

One caveat folks. Never, never use reloaded ammo for personal or home defense. It will be used against you in a court of law with statements such as " you reloaded that ammo for the express purpose of killing people didn't you". If you use reloads for self protection and end up in court you are in a no win situation. Always use the same ammo that your local law enforcement agency uses as a court cannot and will not try to vilify your choice of ammo because it throws the local LEOs in a bad light. Plus the fact that the LEOs tend to use very effective ammo. Just my $.02 worth.

I absolutely do not understand this line of thought. Reloaded ammo is, essentially, recycled, revived ammo, using your own materials, right? So, if that's the case, then it's not "for the express purpose of killing people", it's for the express purpose of saving money and also possibly for environmental and practical reasons.

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

I absolutely do not understand this line of thought. Reloaded ammo is, essentially, recycled, revived ammo, using your own materials, right? So, if that's the case, then it's not "for the express purpose of killing people", it's for the express purpose of saving money and also possibly for environmental and practical reasons.

yeah i've shot crap loads of reloaded ammo from pistols to shotguns it saves lots of dough and, once you get your reloading skills tuned, it's pretty reliable.

Virg might be onto something though. I can only imagine the craziness some anti-gun prosecuting attourney fresh out of a government school could muster up to throw at a "big-bad-gun-shooting-monster"

 

[Expatriate]

Great informative post Doktor. I only just found it on the third page of this sub-forum.
I learned a lot there.

Bumping it back up to the top now, maybe this should be made a sticky?

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

Virg might be onto something though. I can only imagine the craziness some anti-gun prosecuting attourney fresh out of a government school could muster up to throw at a "big-bad-gun-shooting-monster"

That same faulty logic can be used for factory ammo. You put bullets in your gun for the express purpose of killing someone. Hell, why not go even further... you bought a gun just to kill people. What about that sharp steak knife? Or your car.

 

[Cogz]

What you need to do is modify your molds to have a tiny one of these:

Then you can say that they are "green" bullets.

 

[B964]

Great info Doktor.

Not having enough ammo on hand, not being able to afford more, ammo out of stock at the store, buying more equiptment, primers out of stock at store, hours grinding up matches, worries of 700 deg lead in my eye, lead posioning...........

Just a few more reasons to snap me out of bed at 3 am.
I feel time is running short.

 

[the_british_are_coming]

I think we can count on our hands how many times the average gun owner shoots per year(and if you live in one of those state you would) and not run out of digits.

COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO SPIRIT OF ORIGINAL POST WARNING!!!!


and lacking any kind of factual basis.

 

[Acala]

One problem

You can't use cast bullets in gas-operated semi-auto rifles because the lead fouls the gas system. So if you want to stash reloading supplies for your semi-auto rifles, you need to stash jacketed bullets too. Or learn how to swage bullets. Or are there alternatives?

I wonder if you can wrap a lead bullet with teflon plumber's tape to keep it from fouling the gas system?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You can't use cast bullets in gas-operated semi-auto rifles because the lead fouls the gas system. So if you want to stash reloading supplies for your semi-auto rifles, you need to stash jacketed bullets too. Or learn how to swage bullets. Or are there alternatives?

I wonder if you can wrap a lead bullet with teflon plumber's tape to keep it from fouling the gas system?

Your best bet is to stash the bullets. They take up very little space. Sometimes you can get lucky and buy a bad lot of ammo to pull the projectiles, for less than you can buy the projectiles for.

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO SPIRIT OF ORIGINAL POST WARNING!!!!


and lacking any kind of factual basis.

Post your facts contrary to mine first.

And ... Why? Why your post like that now? What is your agenda?

COINTELPRO internet distruption manual:

1. Be a troll
2. Derail the thread.

So someone at Quantico is seeing this thread and saying "Oh no! This will undermine the taking over of the ammo producers and making ammo too expensive for the future slaves to get any practice with! Get some people into those threads!"

Chances are you will play the victim now. Surely the instructions you are given will be to start a pissing match. So I will pursue this no further and put you on ignore.

Tell your handlers they will lose and someday they will be on trial when the Bill of Rights is enforced.

And we post what we want in the threads. This is related to reloading because your average idiot who seldom shoots is only on their way to providing a free gun to the relatives of those state minions who will be given the orders to confiscate.

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

That same faulty logic can be used for factory ammo. You put bullets in your gun for the express purpose of killing someone. Hell, why not go even further... you bought a gun just to kill people. What about that sharp steak knife? Or your car.

Good point. unfortunately this logic is used :-(