Why won't the liberty movement look respectable?

[GunnyFreedom]

Jeff Frazee and I are enemies?

Adam is an enemy?

Dr. Paul?

I could go on and on at how wrong your post is... will just state that it come very close to advocating violence and that will get you banned. In addition I'd recommend reading the mission statement/guidelines,

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22

Yes, to call that post 'ignorant' would be an understatement. I say again, as I have many times before, it almost seems as if many of the members of this movement don't actually want to win, because then they couldn't be 'rebels' anymore.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I say again, as I have many times before, it almost seems as if many of the members of this movement don't actually want to win, because then they couldn't be 'rebels' anymore.

Kinda seems that way to me sometimes too, Gunny.

Oh well, onward and upward.

 

[Mapleton]

I agree with the op.

Some of us need to clean ourselves up, quit talking about "conspiracies", put on a look that will garner respect with others.

Too many of us Ron Paul supports were made to look like nut cases by the media. Change is good, but you have to sell it and to sell it, you have to make show this change slowly not come out and say something totally crazy (or what to some may look like crazy).

 

[Bradley in DC]

"[L]ong haired people with scruffy facial hair" ended the Vietnam War.

The libertarian Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) in suits at protests helped with the rest of the country.

 

[angelatc]

Coming from somebody who looks and dresses like the forgotten third son of Ward and June Cleaver, I nonetheless take umbrage to the notion that ideas, thoughts, and insights are somehow sullied or made less believable when conveyed by people who look like, or perhaps are, members of the counterculture.

Umbrage doesn't make it any less true though. Life's not fair.

 

[Promontorium]

OP,

Pardon me, but isn't 'individuality' in your vernacular?

10% chance anyone will read past this. 2% OP will read this at all. 0% chance any of you know where I'm going with this.

You say, you saw two people, dressed like commoners, and so they must be Paultards, or something to that effect. Then you "proove" this one time unproven incident, by declaring that you've reviewed the Campaign for Liberty website, and concluded many, if not most, if not all believers in the "liberty" movement dress like assholes. Am I about right?

Well. I would suggest you look up individuality again, and not assume an entire movement needs you to tell it how to dress.

While I served in the United States Navy, I didn't have a tux, or a business suit, I had good clothing, but my buisness required uniforms, so all my good clothing was more casual. It didn't matter that my ensemble was $1000 or more, it didn't include a tie, and it never would. So I intentionally avoided all Ron Paul meetings, meetups, demonstrations, rallys, because I thought I couldn't dress up as nice as all the people I'd seen on YouTube and elsewhere professing the ideals.

I'm not sure which specific photos or videos you are refering to, but sure, some people don't dress up. I wouldn't dare consider it an issue. I think most Ron Paul supporters, and the offshoots dress up and act as well as they can.


Maybe you've been to one too many Sean Hannity Tea Parties, or something more casual. If the letters B B and Q appeared on the flier, I'd expect a lot of blue jeans.

Basically, I'm directly challenging you on the numbers. I say, proove it with data. Because I don't think this is even remotely an issue.

You know when I'm going to worry that "we" (the collective, and toss individuality to the wind) aren't dressing well enough? When all positions in government claim Ron Paul as their undying worship, and Ron Paul is president, and we've become a federation of united nations, a global national alliance, and we've cured all diseases, and no one ever starves, and everyone is employed, and no one ever breaks the law, and everyone loves each other and .............

 

[Nate]

Dress however you want to dress. Just remember that others will judge you based on your appearance. However if you decide to run for office and wish to participate in politics (especially the Republican Party) then yes I highly recommend you present yourself in a manner in which they will take you seriously as someone who wants to represent them.

This is why I will NEVER run for office. I personally prefer not to wear a suit or tie, I don't now nor will I ever wear khakis, will NEVER cut my hair since I have taken a Nazarene vow and I dress like an inner city hip hopper because that is what I am. I however do not try and spread the liberty message to "conservative" republicans because I scare them & they will not listen to a person like me. I'll leave their recruitment to others in this movement of ours who have a look that is more "respectable" to mainstream Americans, especially republicans. I will concentrate on those to whom my appearance is a benefit. The counter-cultural person who rejects mainstream America. The hippie, the pothead, the hip hopper, the thug and the outcast.

One of the strengths of this movement is that we do have a diverse group of people and have individuals that can represent the ideas of liberty in different ways and amongst different types of people. A conservative republican type can learn about sound money, anti-statism and individual liberty from the clean cut suit wearing business men type like Peter Schiff while the weed smoking thug from the down the block can learn those same things from a guy like me. We all have our role to play in this. So, know your role and play your position. I don't go to Republican Party meetings to try and recruit mainstream republicans and a guy in a suit & tie shouldn't come to my neighborhood and try to recruit the gangsters from the hood.

 

[acptulsa]

Well, yes, if you want to sell something--including libertarianism--it's best to take the precautions a sales person takes. Like dressing well. Like bathing.

That said, liberty works, and the reason it works is it takes all kinds to make a society this complex work. That's something liberals will never understand any more than neocons, or fundamentalists, or any number of other intolerant jackasses. But we do.

Don't we?

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Dress however you want to dress. Just remember that others will judge you based on your appearance. However if you decide to run for office and wish to participate in politics (especially the Republican Party) then yes I highly recommend you present yourself in a manner in which they will take you seriously as someone who wants to represent them.

This is why I will NEVER run for office. I personally prefer not to wear a suit or tie, I don't now nor will I ever wear khakis, will NEVER cut my hair since I have taken a Nazarene vow and I dress like an inner city hip hopper because that is what I am. I however do not try and spread the liberty message to "conservative" republicans because I scare them & they will not listen to a person like me. I'll leave their recruitment to others in this movement of ours who have a look that is more "respectable" to mainstream Americans, especially republicans. I will concentrate on those to whom my appearance is a benefit. The counter-cultural person who rejects mainstream America. The hippie, the pothead, the hip hopper, the thug and the outcast.

One of the strengths of this movement is that we do have a diverse group of people and have individuals that can represent the ideas of liberty in different ways and amongst different types of people. A conservative republican type can learn about sound money, anti-statism and individual liberty from the clean cut suit wearing business men type like Peter Schiff while the weed smoking thug from the down the block can learn those same things from a guy like me. We all have our role to play in this. So, know your role and play your position. I don't go to Republican Party meetings to try and recruit mainstream republicans and a guy in a suit & tie shouldn't come to my neighborhood and try to recruit the gangsters from the hood.