Why wind and solar power just will not work

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Why wind and solar power are running out of juice

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Jonathan Lesser - September 2, 2023

Green energy and the push to electrify everything have been in the news recently but for all the wrong reasons.

Instead of the green energy nirvana politicians and green energy advocates have promised, economic and physical reality has begun to set in.

Start with the economic realities.

Wind turbine manufacturers like Siemens and General Electric have reported huge losses for the first half of this year, almost $5 billion for the former and $1 billion for the latter.

Among other problems, turbine quality control has suffered, forcing manufacturers such as Siemens and Vestas to incur costly warranty repairs.

In Europe, offshore wind output has been less than promised, while operating costs have been much higher than advertised.

Offshore wind developers in Europe and the US are canceling projects because of higher materials and construction costs.

In Massachusetts, Avangrid, the developer of the 1,200 MW Commonwealth Wind project paid $48 million to get out of its existing contract to sell power to ratepayers.

That way, the company can rebid the project next year at an even higher price.

Close by, the developers of the 1,200 MW SouthCoast Wind Project off Martha’s Vineyard will pay about $60 million to exit their existing contract.

Rhode Island Energy, the state’s main electric utility, recently rejected the second Revolution Wind Project because the contract price was too high.

And Ørsted, the Danish government-owned company that is developing the Southfork Wind and Sunrise Wind projects off Long Island — as well as the Ocean Wind project off the New Jersey coast — last week announced that, without additional subsidies and higher contract prices, it will have to write-off billions of dollars in potential losses.

The result: Even though Siemens Energy CEO Christian Bruch insists that “energy transition without wind energy does not work,” 2022 saw 16% less new wind-power capacity than in 2021, according to the American Clean Power Association.

In New Jersey, the legislature passed a law in July, which is likely unconstitutional, to bail out Ørsted.

The legislation will award the company with several billion dollars of investment tax credits that were supposed to go to consumers.

Back on dry land, opposition to siting land-gobbling wind and solar projects continues to grow.

Local governments in Iowa, Illinois, and Ohio have all rejected or restricted projects.

Rural communities, it seems, do not want to host massive turbine farms — nor the high-voltage transmission lines needed to deliver electricity to power-hungry cities.

Then there are electric vehicles.

Ford, which has bet heavily on its electric Lightning pickup and Mustang and received a $9.2 billion government-subsidized loan in January, revealed that it has lost $60,000 for every EV it sold in the first half of this year.

Rivian, another EV company, managed to reduce its losses per EV to around $33,000, a big improvement over the $67,000 loss per EV in the first quarter of the year.

Proterra, a Bay Area-based manufacturer of electric buses and batteries that had a $10 million loan forgiven by the Biden Administration, just filed for bankruptcy.

Like the wizard in The Wizard of Oz, alternative energy proponents claim these are just temporary little potholes on the road to economic and climate nirvana — all of which can be filled with more money through renegotiated power purchase contracts and more zero-emissions mandates.
Alternative energy madness – and that’s what it is – has had its biggest impact in California.

But New York and New Jersey have adopted most of that state’s mandates.

Sales of new internal combustion vehicles will be banned beginning in 2035 in the states. All of the electricity sold to retail consumers will have to be “zero-emissions.”

Homeowners and building owners will be forced to replace gas- and oil-burning space and water heaters with electric heat pumps.

And, gas stoves will be regulated out of existence.


New York also will soon implement another California import: a carbon “cap-and-invest” program, which will impose a tax on fossil fuels sold by wholesalers and utilities.

The billions of dollars collected each year will provide a green slush fund, allowing the governor and legislators to hand out money to their politically favored cronies, as has so often been the case in the past.

Washington State began its “cap-and-invest” program in January of this year.

Modeled after California’s, Governor Jay Inslee promised the program would have “minimal impact, if any. We are talking about pennies.”

Instead, the program has raised gasoline prices – almost 50 cents per gallon so far this year. Washington State now claims the honor of having the highest gasoline prices in the nation: In Seattle, for example, the average price of regular gasoline is over $5 per gallon.

Of course, the entire point of the program was to raise gasoline and fossil fuel prices to encourage consumers to switch to electric vehicles, mass transit, electric heat pumps, and so forth.

But politics being what it is, Governor Inslee, along with environmentalists and legislative proponents, now blames greedy oil companies for the price increases.

‘We won’t stand for’ corporate greed,” the Governor said at a July 20, 2023, press conference.

(If I was an oil company CEO my response would be - "Ok, fine, tell you what: I'm withdrawing all of my assets, sales, distribution, refining, processing and production from your state. I won't sell you another drop of oil or oil product. Go freeze, starve and FOAD, you communist maggots.)

Once New York’s cap-and-invest program starts, probably next year, you can expect a similar outcome: higher gasoline and diesel prices, higher prices for natural gas and fuel oil used to heat homes and apartment buildings, and endless political demagoguery denouncing it all.

As the push toward electric-everything powered by green energy barrels along, proponents also refuse to confront basic physical realities.

Electricity accounts for just one-sixth of all energy use.

The rest is fossil fuels consumed for transportation, space and water heating, and manufacturing.

Convert everything to electricity and electricity consumption will increase. A lot.

According to the New York Climate Action Committee’s Final Scoping Plan, New York will meet that increased demand by building almost 15,000 MW of offshore wind, like the Southfork Wind and Sunrise Wind projects, and over 40,000 MW of solar panels. (By comparison, the emissions-free Indian Point Nuclear Plant, which former Governor Cuomo forced to close, had a capacity of just over 1,000 MW.)

Because the wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine, keeping the lights on will require far more backup resources.

This “reserve margin” – basically, the amount of generating capacity available to step in and meet electric demand – will need to increase from the current 20% to over 100%.

In other words, for every MW of generating capacity in 2040, there will have to be an equal amount or more in reserve.

That’s like having to buy a second car and keep it idling all the time in case the first one won’t start.

The Scoping Plan claims this will be accomplished by building over 20,000 MW of so-called “dispatchable emissions-free generating resources” (DEFRs) and installing over 12,000 MW of battery storage.

Those claims are fantasy.

Start with DEFRs, which are generators that burn pure hydrogen manufactured from surplus wind and solar power.

They have yet to be invented (we repeat – they do not yet exist). Nor do any large-scale commercial plants to manufacture green hydrogen exist either.

Hydrogen cannot be transported in existing natural gas pipelines.

An entirely new infrastructure will need to be built.

Assuming a new technology will be invented by whatever date politicians decree is foolish.

That’s not how technology works.

Just ask everyone working on commercial fusion power, which has been just 30 years off for the last 50 years.

As for battery storage, 12,000 MW will provide at most 48,000 megawatt-hours of actual electricity.

That may sound like a lot but based on the New York Independent System Operator’s (NYISO) most recent forecast, on a windless and cold winter evening in 2040, it would keep the lights on for only one hour.

The materials requirements for batteries also are staggering, which is one reason why replacing existing internal combustion cars and trucks will be impossible.

Batteries require large quantities of cobalt, much of which is now mined in the Congo using child and slave labor.

They also require lots of graphite, most of which comes from China – the same with the rare minerals needed for wind turbines and solar panels.

Ultimately, nothing New York does will have any measurable impact on world climate because the state’s carbon emissions are minuscule compared to the 35 billion metric tons of total global emissions.

As long as China, which accounts for almost one-third of world energy-related carbon emissions, India, and other developing nations focus policies on economic growth, rather than cutting emissions, New York’s efforts will have no environmental value.

Nevertheless, if politicians and environmentalists were serious about zero-emissions goals, they would abandon the electrification mandates, and abandon reliance on wind, solar, battery storage, DEFRs, green hydrogen, and other unrealistic and unreliable energy sources.

Instead, they would embrace the one existing technology that dare not speak its name: nuclear power.

Unlike wind and solar, nuclear plants run all the time.

New, small modular reactors will offer greater safety, lower costs, and easy scalability to meet increased electricity demand.

Storing spent fuel is a political issue, not a technological one, for which the best solution is to recycle and reuse it, as France has done for the last half-century without incident.

The country is also developing a permanent storage site for nuclear waste that can no longer be reprocessed.

The economist Herb Stein once quipped that anything that cannot go on forever, won’t.

That’s true of New York’s current alternative energy madness.

It won’t save the world, but it will grind down the state’s economy and its residents until the folly is too great to ignore.
 
Keep in mind, that while they are doing all of that, they are banning wood furnaces, woodstoves, fireplaces, gas stoves, gas logs, kerosene heaters and on and on.

So you will freeze when the grid goes down, unless you actively resist and not comply, like the people who survived the Maui fires by deliberately refusing to follow police orders.

These people hate you, they want you and your family and your posterity and your bloodline and your history DEAD.

YOU are the carbon they are looking to eliminate.
 
I put (40) 400 watt panels on one side of my home in mid June. On the worst day in total downpour rain and total overcast all day, we produced over 9kwh. On the best day with clear skies all day we produced 90kwh. I am not certain if 90 is as good as it gets because maybe if the nicest day were in June maybe it would have been higher. We have had lots of overcast skies this year in August.
We have Enphase micro inverters and with it there comes an app that shows production. Without knowing very much a person can look at a graph and see blue lines that represent produced electricity. As the morning sun arrives the blue lines start going up until the panels hit peak production then as the sun moves away from the panels or sets the lines curve down to nothing again. Obviously days vary in length, the sun is not at the same angle or have the same orientation with my home year round so things will vary. However, on September 1, 2023, the graph was picture perfect. You can look at it and see the blue lines start and then go up and have a perfect curve up, stay up all day and then perfectly curve down to nothing. That means that it was a perfectly sunny day and on September 1, probably any year, I will not get more solar production than that. We produced 76.4 that day. Obviously as the days get shorter and the angle of the sun changes I would expect the best days to produce less electricity until once again the days begin to get longer and the angle becomes more favorable. Going back to the graph for a second, on most days, you can see the blue lines are jagged. They don't follow a perfect curve from sun up to peak production to sun down. Clouds come in and so the lines are not all in a perfect curve. I would hope that the excess I produce during the summer is more than enough to cover the shortfall in winter.

Basically a person could have energy independence if they had solar.
 
You live near Hartford CT IIRC.

How do you heat your home in winter?

NVM - I just read this:

Winter is around the corner, I will be firing up my coal stoves for heat.

So we both understand that a home solar grid will not provide enough energy to heat a home through winter.

From the OP:

Electricity accounts for just one-sixth of all energy use.

The rest is fossil fuels consumed for transportation, space and water heating, and manufacturing.

Convert everything to electricity and electricity consumption will increase. A lot.

Macro vs micro.

You can't power a Bessemer converter on wind power.

Small set ups on an individual home basis can help supplant grid power, sure.

But my home is already capable of surviving a northern New England winter without spending $50,000 on a solar array, that if it was placed on my roof would produce ugatz from about Jan to late March due to being covered in snow during most all of the winter.

The problem is government is planning on banning my method of achieving energy independence.

Which only cost about $2000.
 
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I was going to quote a few choice parts of the OP article to highlight that "climate change" is just a hoax being perpetrated by scammers - but then I realized I might just as well quote the entire article for that purpose. So I'll just quote Michael Malice instead:

"I love it when people say that Ayn Rand's villains were too over-the-top and unrealistic." -- Michael Malice
 
[MENTION=81289]GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged[/MENTION] [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] , have you looked into offsetting with geo-thermal heating and cooling? An ex-colleague put geo into his new build some years back, he swears by it, but never did the solar thing. Online calcs based on my inputs show a savings of 38%, but that didn't include solar. I know that it can be retro-fitted into preexisting builds. I don't know of anybody who has both.
 
I guess my point is electricity can be acquired from solar panels on the ground or roof. I am happy so far with the amount of energy provided by my solar system.
 
Of course they were never intended to work at all.

Antiquated and laughable.

Just a ploy to make billions off the backs of taxpayers, form LLC's and distribut the booty to insiders.

The cleared land they will also inherit.

Everything in our governments is nothing but grand larceny in our faces, protected by an apparatus of tyranny.
 
@GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged @Anti Federalist , have you looked into offsetting with geo-thermal heating and cooling? An ex-colleague put geo into his new build some years back, he swears by it, but never did the solar thing. Online calcs based on my inputs show a savings of 38%, but that didn't include solar. I know that it can be retro-fitted into preexisting builds. I don't know of anybody who has both.
Are you referring to digging thousands of feet of 6 foot deep trenches and laying coiled pipe in them or digging a well and using the water as a heat source? I did put in air heat pumps that are supposed to be pretty efficient. I don't usually turn on any AC in summer but plan to use the heat pump before firing up the coal stoves in the fall.
 
Are you referring to digging thousands of feet of 6 foot deep trenches and laying coiled pipe in them or digging a well and using the water as a heat source? I did put in air heat pumps that are supposed to be pretty efficient. I don't usually turn on any AC in summer but plan to use the heat pump before firing up the coal stoves in the fall.

I was referring to the trenches.

I built 20 years ago and didn't bother with alternatives, though I wish I did. But I did double up the insulation in the roof and 2x6 walls, and with the whole-home electric discount it floats around $180-200 year round at 66% on a 3400 sq ft home. Well and septic, no city.
 
[MENTION=81289]GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged[/MENTION] [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] , have you looked into offsetting with geo-thermal heating and cooling? An ex-colleague put geo into his new build some years back, he swears by it, but never did the solar thing. Online calcs based on my inputs show a savings of 38%, but that didn't include solar. I know that it can be retro-fitted into preexisting builds. I don't know of anybody who has both.

Looked into it, yes.

I'm not sure it is full time alternative in cold climates like mine, unless you were on top of naturally occurring "hot spots".

They drill down to about what a shallow oil well would be, a few thousand feet or so, and circulate water through that then a heat exchanger.
 
Looked into it, yes.

I'm not sure it is full time alternative in cold climates like mine, unless you were on top of naturally occurring "hot spots".

They drill down to about what a shallow oil well would be, a few thousand feet or so, and circulate water through that then a heat exchanger.

Cold climate, hot spots, from what I understand, aren't really factors. My understanding is that so far down into the earth, you are bringing up a constant temp year round. Again, I could be wrong on that.
 
Cold climate, hot spots, from what I understand, aren't really factors. My understanding is that so far down into the earth, you are bringing up a constant temp year round. Again, I could be wrong on that.

Around 70 or so, is what comes out of the ground, again, away from hot spots.

If it's 40 or 35 out, that will take the chill off.

It's not enough to warm a home when it's minus 20.

That's how it's been explained to me anyway.
 
Around 70 or so, is what comes out of the ground, again, away from hot spots.

If it's 40 or 35 out, that will take the chill off.

It's not enough to warm a home when it's minus 20.

That's how it's been explained to me anyway.

Yeah, you're up where I left. It's not as drastic around here. On a new build it would be worthwhile doing everything possible, especially if you do most of the work yourself. I'm still in planning mode for my final resting home, but it won't be around here, that's for sure.
 
Have to wonder if any energy operates in the black without government welfare.
 
Have to wonder if any energy operates in the black without government welfare.

Of course.

Why do you think we're in the Ukraine? Oil and gas provide the government with welfare. Or, at least, the politicians.
 
Have to wonder if any energy operates in the black without government welfare.

That depends on what you mean by "welfare".

Many "green" energy companies are subsidized by Uncle Sugar. Most Oil & Gas companies are not subsidized; many are given tax breaks. A tax break is not a subsidy.

Either way, whatever source of energy people choose, it should be at the market rate, and not at some artificial rate because of government interference in the market. Let the most efficient - in terms of both production and price - source win.
 
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