Why Western donors are snubbing Pakistan after giving to Haiti

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One week after launching a fundraising effort to help victims of Pakistan’s devastating floods, a coalition of Canadian charities has raised just $200,000 for the region. A week after they began a similar campaign following January’s Haitian earthquake, more than $3.5-million had been raised.


Pakistan floods
Total Funding as of Aug. 16/10 - $229-million (U.S.)
Affected population - 14 million
Funding per affected person - $16.36

Haiti earthquake (2010)
Total Funding as of Aug. 16/10 - $3.3-billion (U.S.)
Affected population - 3 million
Funding per affected person - $1,087.33

Kashmir earthquake (2005)
Total Funding as of Aug. 16/10 - $1.2-billion (U.S.)
Affected population - 3 million
Funding per affected person - $388.33

Indian Ocean earthquake/tsunami (2004)
Total Funding as of Aug. 16/10 - $6.2-billion (U.S.)
Affected population - 5 million
Funding per affected person - $1,249.80

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source - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...akistan-after-giving-to-haiti/article1675172/
 
Is giving "only" $200,000 of free money snubbing?

Is your argument that people gave too much to Haiti or not enough to Pakistan? And everytime someone gets less than Haiti will they now be considered "snubbed"?

Honestly times are tough all over right now and some people may be doing other things with their money than donating it to Pakistan - such is life.

Edit: I misread your post. The West has "only given $229 million". What assholes :mad:
 
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1. Wyclef is more popular than Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (who died exactly 13 years ago today).

2. Haitians aren't viewed as wanting death to the western world.

3. Haitians are generally Christian.

4. Haitians speak a western language.

5. Bin Laden is probably not in Haiti.

6. Haiti is a neighboring country.

7. People are broke right now. Indonesia and New Orleans at least got destroyed when the economy was good.
 
Where's racist Representative and Fraudster Congresswoman Maxine Waters... in giving away our tax dollars?

Oh wait it's Pakistan! Hope Maxine staffers jump on this quickly to give the appearance of a globalist and to cover her racist ass.
 
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I don't see any big conspiracy here.

Let's face it. When Haiti got hit with the earthquake, we were "treated" to 27/7 wall to wall coverage from all the major news channels for well over a week. Pakistan has not gotten a tenth - hell, probably not 1/100 of the coverage that Haiti did. Just like any other issue, the amount of coverage is going to be directly proportional to the amount of public interest.
 
1. Wyclef is more popular than Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (who died exactly 13 years ago today).

2. Haitians aren't viewed as wanting death to the western world.

3. Haitians are generally Christian.

4. Haitians speak a western language.

5. Bin Laden is probably not in Haiti.

6. Haiti is a neighboring country.

7. People are broke right now. Indonesia and New Orleans at least got destroyed when the economy was good.

8. If things get too desperate in Pakistan, the Pakistanis can't jump into a rickety boat and head for Florida.

9. Pakistan apparently has enough spare money to spend it on building nuclear bombs.

10. Pakistan apparently has enough spare money to spend it on insurgents fighting in Khasmir.
 
8. If things get too desperate in Pakistan, the Pakistanis can't jump into a rickety boat and head for Florida.

9. Pakistan apparently has enough spare money to spend it on building nuclear bombs.

10. Pakistan apparently has enough spare money to spend it on insurgents fighting in Khasmir.

Well Kashmir is a disputed territory between two countries. What matters most is the God given right of the Kashmiris to self determination. Incidentally it is also a UN approved resolution to hold a plebescite in Kashmir (not Khasmir) for the people to decide their fate. Majority until Musharraf's rule have wanted to join Pakistan. Unfortunately it is a region which hasn't garnered world attention. Their is noise for Darfur, Palestine, Tibet, but not Kashmir. Not that Kashmiris are helpless without it. They are a proud people. They have been butchered and their women raped (Indian soldiers are actually enticed with having a free pass to women of Kashmir whose beauty is a matter of regional folklore), but their spirit has not broken.
Pakistan post 2001, when Musharraf took power, has all but given up its claim on Kashmir: one reason for spike of anger both in Kashmir against Pakistan as well among its own populace, many of whom have ethnic and ancestral ties to their kin across the (line of control)LOC.

Had there been no Pakistan, the insurgency in Kashmir would not only have gone on, it probably would've been more effective than it has been due to Pakistan's incompetent meddling.

And yes, unfortunately prioritizing military expenditure is the bane of the third world where governments spend on military and are an ever increasing glob. India has arguably the worst human rights record in the region, over a dozen insurgencies and has sponsored terror in each and every one of its neighbours' territory including Nepal (the only officially Hindu country in the world). Not that I would ever see (or want to see) our country invading India or China to liberate Tibet or Kashmir.
That is only reserved for nation's who should have a few qualifying features: keep their national interest at the helm, on some level be hostile, or not be a major trading partner, be comparatively no match for out military might and ofcourse the winner: preferably be the mawzlim devil worshipers.
 
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Cool down guys, even Pakistanis are very wary about giving cash donations to the flood victims, and for very good reason: Corruption.

Before becoming President, Zardari was known as "Mr. 10%". No one wants to give him cash - most people I know are donating blankets, clothes, anything that Mr. 10% can't pawn.

My wife is from Pakistan, by the way.
 
2. Haitians aren't viewed as wanting death to the western world.
That's because, to date, no Predator drone has flown over Haiti.

3. Haitians are generally Christian.
As I understand, it's not exactly "Christian" to refuse help to non-Christians.

4. Haitians speak a western language.
Pakistan has the 9th largest English speaking population in the world.

5. Bin Laden is probably not in Haiti.
And by withholding aid, you're giving Al-Qaeda a huge recruitment base and opportunity.
 
Cool down guys, even Pakistanis are very wary about giving cash donations to the flood victims, and for very good reason: Corruption.

Before becoming President, Zardari was known as "Mr. 10%". No one wants to give him cash - most people I know are donating blankets, clothes, anything that Mr. 10% can't pawn.

My wife is from Pakistan, by the way.

HI ibaghdadi, Precisely. Zardari (who btw is a socialist) was brought into power by us when the people threw out Musharraf. Out of the frying pan into the fire. And then folks ask why we have people like Faisal Shehzad, and unfortunately the following reasoning is even more bizarre and pathetic.

Incidentally though, I did post this thread about optimism coming aout of this tragedy. It's a good thing if Pakistanis if they are weaned of any dependence of government. In a way this could very well the much needed collapse that people so often wish for to happen here on our soil. The only danger is the absence of an enlightened libertarian leader. Because the country could go the way of Iran, as that might be the only other alternative left to lead.



http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/worl...813-12355.html

The region hit the hardest is northern and northwestern Pakistan, the part of the country at war with the state. I admire their courage, humanity, civility and compassion. This is also a lesson of what's possible even for the poorest of the poor without any help.

Main excerpts:

----''There was no warning. When the water came we just had to run,'' said Inzar Gul, one of those camped in the middle of the road. ''It came so fast I was up to my neck. I was almost completely submerged.''

But there were stories of hope amid the gloom.

Mr Burhan says residents of Armour Colony, a Nowshera neighbourhood unaffected by the floods, have taken in about 3000 families who have been left homeless.

''Some households here have three families living with them,'' he says. ''Many people have opened their hearts.''

Mr Burhan, 25, hosts a mobile Red Crescent health clinic at his home and the local community has helped set up a registration centre to facilitate food distribution by the World Food Program.

Mr Burhan estimates about 40 per cent of Nowshera's flood victims have been taken in by host families. A similar proportion of the homeless are being hosted by locals at nearby Charsadda, aid workers have been told.

---It is reminiscent of the response to the refugee crisis in the region in May last year when about 2 million people fled the fighting between government troops and Taliban insurgents in the nearby Swat Valley. While many ended up in refugee camps, most are believed to have been hosted by households in surrounding districts.

---This generosity highlights an aspect of Islam overshadowed by the publicity gained by violent extremists and those promoting a hardline interpretation of Sharia law in Pakistan. An important teaching of Islam is to show hospitality to strangers and those in need. This kind of behaviour is deeply entrenched in the region's traditions.

The Pakistan government has been criticised for its ham-fisted reaction to the crisis, and the international response has been sluggish. But many locals have shown great generosity.

Even so, most of flood victims are living rough.

---'We just don't know yet how much this disaster will affect the social fabric of this country,'' says Patrick Fuller, a spokesman for the Red Cross and Red Crescent societies.

An Afghan refugee camp on the outskirts of Nowshera that housed thousands was completely flattened in the deluge. There is an estimated 1.8 million Afghan refugees living in Pakistan and many have been affected by the floods. Having lost homes and livelihoods in Pakistan, and facing war and possible persecution at home, could the floods push more Afghans to make an asylum bid to a third country such as Australia?

--Only a few of the flood victims interviewed by the Herald in Nowshera expressed anger at the government's response. They had little expectation that politicians would do anything to help.

''The local people will give us food,'' said Bhaktia, a homeless man, when asked if he expected more from the government.

Another said he knew nothing about politics: ''We are flood victims, we are not sitting around watching the politics on TV.''

---But the deep shortcomings of the Pakistan state have been exposed by the floods. There are fears that faith in Pakistan's democracy, only restored in 2008, could be further damaged by the government's lacklustre response to the disaster.

The decision of the unpopular President, Asif Ali Zardari, to go ahead with a foreign tour despite the floods has fuelled discontent.
 
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Cool down guys, even Pakistanis are very wary about giving cash donations to the flood victims, and for very good reason: Corruption.

Before becoming President, Zardari was known as "Mr. 10%". No one wants to give him cash - most people I know are donating blankets, clothes, anything that Mr. 10% can't pawn.

My wife is from Pakistan, by the way.

Just as in Hati, cash given would not make it from the corrupt govt to the victims.
 
So because the West has only given $220 million dollars - these people want to join Al Qaeda and blow up Westerners?

No man, you get it wrong. Al-Qaeda, Taliban, and other Islamic militant organizations are the ones providing all the relief efforts now. And be sure they'll be telling the people they're helping: "Look, we're the only ones who care about you. We're the only ones here to help. Your government doesn't give a damn. The US doesn't give a damn unless it wants something."

That's what I meant by a recruitment opportunity.
 
Incidentally though, I did post this thread about optimism coming aout of this tragedy. It's a good thing if Pakistanis if they are weaned of any dependence of government. In a way this could very well the much needed collapse that people so often wish for to happen here on our soil. The only danger is the absence of an enlightened libertarian leader. Because the country could go the way of Iran, as that might be the only other alternative left to lead.

It's not about the leader, it's about the people. I've been to Pakistan several times. I saw parts of it as a perfect anarchist experiment: how people conduct their business in the complete absence of a government.

But let's face it, Pakistan isn't the right place for a libertarian movement. Most Pakistanis live without government but take no pride in that - unlike people in Somalia, or parts of Iraq, or Palestine, who take pride in the fact that they are stateless.

As far as I've seen in Pakistan, people feel "government-deprived" rather than "government-free". They CRAVE government. They CRAVE someone "taking care" of them. That's why they always fall for the next charlatan who promises to.
 
No man, you get it wrong. Al-Qaeda, Taliban, and other Islamic militant organizations are the ones providing all the relief efforts now. And be sure they'll be telling the people they're helping: "Look, we're the only ones who care about you. We're the only ones here to help. Your government doesn't give a damn. The US doesn't give a damn unless it wants something."

That's what I meant by a recruitment opportunity.

Ok I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying.

And that's a shame that that is going on.
 
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