Why Upholding Obamacare is a Victory for Conservatism and a Loss for our Country

[Tumn1s]

Here's an article I just wrote. Give me your feedback.

http://www.examiner.com/article/why...y-for-conservatism-and-a-loss-for-our-country

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Here's an article I just wrote. Give me your feedback.

http://www.examiner.com/article/why...y-for-conservatism-and-a-loss-for-our-country

Who was your target audience?

 

[Tumn1s]

Neocon's who are confused by the decision and don't know that they're not conservatives... showing them a better path.

 

[AdamT]

Nicely done, +rep.

 

[romancito]

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http://www.examiner.com/article/why...y-for-conservatism-and-a-loss-for-our-country

As far as I know history is dead. So I would toss out 85 percent of the article. About the resurgence or strength of conservatism I would say that it seems conservative to you are quite poor in terms of courage and initiative. The article has not one single suggestion of anyone or any form of initiative that may change the course that was established today through the Robert's ruling.

Why not put the responsibility squarely where it belongs. It behooves Dr. Paul, who you seem to admire, to take hold of the situation at the moment an create a Ron Paul political party and take the bull by the horns and give the country the choice is so desperately needs.

In my opinion a poorly envisioned article.

 

[Southerner]

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http://www.examiner.com/article/why...y-for-conservatism-and-a-loss-for-our-country

"However, for many of these folks, their view of what qualifies as conservatism has veered from its once solid principles, being redefined by insurgent groups like the neoconservatives and moral majority."

+Rep for that one sentence alone.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I live in Louisiana. About 25 years ago, you couldn't find a Republican in this state (except Gov. David Treen, but he was an anomaly). Today, the tables have turned completely; you almost can't find a Democrat (except for the Landrieu family...hey thanks, Mary, for this Obamacare bill. Obama couldn't have gotten it passed it without you.)

Around the time of Reagan's 2nd term, all of our Democratic politicians were changing parties to the GOP. I'm sure this was happening all over the formerly-Democratic dominated South.

 

[fisharmor]

I live in Louisiana. About 25 years ago, you couldn't find a Republican in this state (except Gov. David Treen, but he was an anomaly).

I lived in NO back then... I remember a campaign between Treen (some kind of KKK ties) and Edwin Edwards (a womanizer) and the joke was you couldn't tell who spent more time in the sheets.

Oh, and great article, OP.

 

[Liberty74]

How is this corrupt ruling a victory for conservatism? Obamacare does the exact opposite. It indoctrinates a whole new class of entitlement people by expanding Medicaid and putting 15 million more on welfare. It expands the IRS and allows the KGB to get into your private life. When has government ever lost their power?

Once the government passes these type of government intrusions, it moves the overton window to the Left. Hence, this is not a victory but a major loss.

The only thing that will save us is an economic collapse at major proportions to wake people up, states seceding or a full on true revolution like 1776.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

So I would toss out 85 percent of the article.

I agree with the removing most of it not bc of what it says or how it is written, but simply bc the majority of the audience will not spend the time to read it or not read it all due to the length.

 

[awake]

It is a victory for conservatism: the socialist progressives rely on conservatives to not repeal their power grabs. They count on conservatives conserving their hard fought work destroying liberty on all levels under the cloak of "good government".

To go along to get things done in DC is simply conserving the status quo.

 

[Tumn1s]

Thanks guys. I know the article is a bit long in the tooth but I had to qualify my argument by stating for those who are unaware (most of the GOP) the history and basis of my opinions. I also agree that Obamacare is a major loss for our country, the point of the article was to show the silver lining, that Obamacare has and will galvanize conservatives to activism. Just look at what happened with the tea party in 2009 as a result of Obamacare being in congress. Now that conservatives have been betrayed by one of their own, I would expect a similar occurrence albeit with a backlash towards the establishment GOP as well. If anything, this ruling only gives more urgency to the message of Dr. Paul. Liberty marches on.

 

[Carlybee]

So how is Obamacare a victory for Conservatism? Because, it makes it clearly evident that the Republican Party is no longer the party of principled limited government or constitutional conservatism as preached by the heroes of ages past, Thomas Jefferson and Barry Goldwater. The Obamacare victory at the hands of “conservative” Chief Justice John G. Roberts has created a schism in the Republican Party that will cause more and more people to question what conservatism really means and move them yet further to the right.

What it will actually do is fire the "Tea Party" back up but since the "Tea Party" has been co-opted by neocons they may coalesce long enough to energize the vote for Romney, thinking any Republican is better than no Republican, but the media hounds (Beck, Limbaugh et al) will proclaim to be all for the Constitution (when it suits them) and if Romney gets elected sadly the same old neocon policy will still be in play. It may help as far as this particular ruling but ultimately there will be no moving to real conservatism because most of these people equate conservatism with what the talking heads tell them it is. It certainly doesn't make them any more likely to embrace the liberty message as has been proven time after time during the conventions. I don't see where it is an advantage other than perhaps in firing up the base to GOTV. Which will be great for the lesser of two evil proponents....but you know the old saying...the lesser of two evils is still evil. I don't see any liberty gains in the long term.

 

[Warmon]

Here's an article I just wrote. Give me your feedback.

I read it and I liked it! In my mind, it helped to gel some of my thoughts on why the two party system is so polarized and screwed up. The history was appropriate: you can't see how lost you are without checking the rear view mirror once in a while. For the ADD person, it was too long, but for the average person, it's just the right length. I hate reading something and then felt dumber because of it. All in all - good job!

 

[Tumn1s]

What it will actually do is fire the "Tea Party" back up but since the "Tea Party" has been co-opted by neocons they may coalesce long enough to energize the vote for Romney, thinking any Republican is better than no Republican, but the media hounds (Beck, Limbaugh et al) will proclaim to be all for the Constitution (when it suits them) and if Romney gets elected sadly the same old neocon policy will still be in play. It may help as far as this particular ruling but ultimately there will be no moving to real conservatism because most of these people equate conservatism with what the talking heads tell them it is. It certainly doesn't make them any more likely to embrace the liberty message as has been proven time after time during the conventions. I don't see where it is an advantage other than perhaps in firing up the base to GOTV. Which will be great for the lesser of two evil proponents....but you know the old saying...the lesser of two evils is still evil. I don't see any liberty gains in the long term.

CarlyBee, Mitt Romney has ZERO credibility to talk about Obamacare because of Romneycare. Obama is going to rub this in his face all day long. With all of the negative ads and firestorm this election about Obamacare, Obama will be quick to point out that Romney was the architect. I don't think people will fall for it this time and they'll shift views due to this ruling.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

It is a victory for conservatism: the socialist progressives rely on conservatives to not repeal their power grabs. They count on conservatives conserving their hard fought work destroying liberty on all levels under the cloak of "good government".

To go along to get things done in DC is simply conserving the status quo.

This.

 

[Carlybee]

CarlyBee, Mitt Romney has ZERO credibility to talk about Obamacare because of Romneycare. Obama is going to rub this in his face all day long. With all of the negative ads and firestorm this election about Obamacare, Obama will be quick to point out that Romney was the architect. I don't think people will fall for it this time and they'll shift views due to this ruling.

I understand that, but the Tea Partiers will still vote for him just as I suspect some on this board will which means the cause for conservatism is not really advanced, but the status quo is maintained.