Why the NC Transgender law is retarded, and how it helps perverts

[Danke]

Ok, at what point did this become a thing? Because I recall that for the majority of my life going to the bathroom was not a complicated situation. That means somebody is making it into one.

See the different reaction when a man accidentally walks into a woman's bathroom compared to a woman accidentally walking into a man's bathroom.

Also A woman taking a young boy to the female bathroom compared to a man taking a young girl into the Male bathroom.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

All it does is force trans men and women to use bathrooms based on the sex that they were born in, considering that many trans men and women simply look like regular men and women, it does the opposite of the intended effect. It gives the pretext for straight perverted men to pretend to be transgender to enter women's bathrooms while dressing normally. They don't even need to wear a dress to enter the bathroom, they can just look like normal straight men and enter (because many trans men simply look like men) do you realize how ridiculous this law is and why for hundreds of years a law like this never existed? Trump is right. Example of Trans men who look like normal men are now forced to use Women's bathrooms.

Trans-men:

It's the actual logic that is flawed. Now it becomes easier for perverts to harass women, because they don't even need to wear a dress now because of the new law, they can just wear normal clothes and pretend to be transmen. Whereas before, transmen would have just been told to go to the men's room.

Have....you actually read the bill? Because what you are repeating is not at all what the bill actually does, but rather a perfect carbon copy of the left's talking point lies about what the bill does.

 

[Origanalist]

 

[Gh34]

Exactly. And what's getting bothersome is propaganda like the OP that tries to make it look like the people who want to keep it the way it's always been are the one's trying to push their agenda on everyone else, when in fact they're just playing defense.

Have....you actually read the bill? Because what you are repeating is not at all what the bill actually does, but rather a perfect carbon copy of the left's talking point lies about what the bill does.

The bill tacks on a bunch of different elements like laws limiting minimum wage, etc. too. The fact is that this law is not a simple repeal of the charlotte law, the idea of requiring those born of either sex to enter the bathroom of their birth is now mandated to state buildings, and it wasn't before.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That is the point, there is no precedence for a law like this in history.

What you are saying is simply fiction. I don't know what source you got all of this from, but you may want to find a different source.

This article was from March 2015 talking about states who are enacting these laws, and they mention cases in the article from 2014.

http://time.com/3734714/transgender-bathroom-bills-lgbt-discrimination/

Far from unprecedented, NC's bill has lot's of company in America, and not only that, it simply doesn't do what you have been programmed to believe that it does.

The ONLY requirement the bill makes is on state owned and managed property, full stop. The bill explicitly states that private businesses can distribute andmanage their restrooms however they want.

Are you opposed to a business owner being allowed to do what he or she wants with his or her OWN PROPERTY??

All throughout history, if you looked like a man, you used the men's restroom, and same for the woman's restroom. Now, under the NC law, transmen who look like men will be forced to use women's bathrooms.

The whole point of the law was that it would 'protect women from sexual predators', yet in fact it does the opposite, it makes it easier, because sexual predators will no longer even have to wear a dress, as they can simply pretend to be transmen.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The bill tacks on a bunch of different elements like laws limiting minimum wage, etc. too. The fact is that this law is not a simple repeal of the charlotte law, the idea of requiring those born of either sex to enter the bathroom of their birth is now mandated to state buildings, and it wasn't before.

Really? I've actually read the bill. Have you?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The bill tacks on a bunch of different elements like laws limiting minimum wage, etc. too. The fact is that this law is not a simple repeal of the charlotte law, the idea of requiring those born of either sex to enter the bathroom of their birth is now mandated to state buildings, and it wasn't before.

Really? I've actually read the bill. Have you?

I've also followed the bill from the beginning, and it NEVER tried to impose requirements on private businesses. Could you please point me to the section and subsection where it deals with minimum wage in HB2? Thanks.

 

[Gh34]

What you are saying is simply fiction. I don't know what source you got all of this from, but you may want to find a different source.

This article was from March 2015 talking about states who are enacting these laws, and they mention cases in the article from 2014.

http://time.com/3734714/transgender-bathroom-bills-lgbt-discrimination/

Far from unprecedented, NC's bill has lot's of company in America, and not only that, it simply doesn't do what you have been programmed to believe that it does.

The ONLY requirement the bill makes is on state owned and managed property, full stop. The bill explicitly states that private businesses can distribute andmanage their restrooms however they want.

Are you opposed to a business owner being allowed to do what he or she wants with his or her OWN PROPERTY??

This issue is all from modern times, it was unheard of a century ago, and it was implemented on a statewide basis relevant to state buildings. If they just wanted to repeal the charlotte law, they could've done so, but this was not a simple repeal, it includes many other elements.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Here, I copied the entire text of the bill into another thread where you can read it, so you can sho me where it fiddles with the minimum wage and where it forces McDonalds to discriminate against gays. Because I can't find it. And I promise you that I know how to read legislation.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?494366-North-Carolina-HB2-the-Transgender-Bathroom-Bill

 

[Gh34]

I've also followed the bill from the beginning, and it NEVER tried to impose requirements on private businesses. Could you please point me to the section and subsection where it deals with minimum wage in HB2? Thanks.

It requires it for state buildings, and it was never mandated for state buildings before.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/04/20/north-carolina-bathroom-law-also-limits-minimum-wage-hikes/

 

[GunnyFreedom]

This issue is all from modern times, it was unheard of a century ago, and it was implemented on a statewide basis relevant to state buildings. If they just wanted to repeal the charlotte law, they could've done so, but this was not a simple repeal, it includes many other elements.

So because "times change" therefore this bill does shit that it simply does not do? WTF kind of logic is that?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

It requires it for state buildings, and it was never mandated for state buildings before.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/04/20/north-carolina-bathroom-law-also-limits-minimum-wage-hikes/

State government, state property. :shrug: if you don't like it, stay away from state property. But most of all, STOP LYING ABOUT CRAP YOU OPPOSE. If the truth isn't enough to make your case then you don't have a case.

 

[Gh34]

So because "times change" therefore this bill does $#@! that it simply does not do? WTF kind of logic is that?

Because this is a new issue, if 'conservative' means to conserve past traditions, laws like this were not part of past traditions, these are new laws.

 

[Gh34]

State government, state property. :shrug: if you don't like it, stay away from state property. But most of all, STOP LYING ABOUT CRAP YOU OPPOSE. If the truth isn't enough to make your case then you don't have a case.

And there are people who oppose the state doing that, so you admit it's more than just the private sector. Why didn't you answer the minimum wage link?

 

[Origanalist]

So because "times change" therefore this bill does shit that it simply does not do? WTF kind of logic is that?

Appropriate expression is appropriate.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So you are freaking out because the NCLEG told McDonalds that they can do whatever the fk they want to with their own bathrooms and nobody can sue them for discrimination.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And there are people who oppose the state doing that, so you admit it's more than just the private sector. Why didn't you answer the minimum wage link?

WHAT minimum wage link? I linked the actual text of the actual bill. There is no minimum wage crap in it.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And there are people who oppose the state doing that, so you admit it's more than just the private sector. Why didn't you answer the minimum wage link?

WTF are you talking about? I've said from the start that the ONLY requirements on this bill refer to STATE PROPERTY. Do you have a reading problem to go along with your wishful thinking problem and your meticulously constructed fantasy world problem?

 

[Gh34]

So you are freaking out because the NCLEG told McDonalds that they can do whatever the fk they want to with their own bathrooms and nobody can sue them for discrimination.

You can't claim it's purely about 'freedom', when you impose the specific restrictions on state buildings too, of course you'll have people opposing it, who don't agree with those restrictions on buildings.

WHAT minimum wage link? I linked the actual text of the actual bill. There is no minimum wage crap in it.

That's not what the wsj and lawyers are saying about the bill.

 

[Gh34]

WTF are you talking about? I've said from the start that the ONLY requirements on this bill refer to STATE PROPERTY. Do you have a reading problem to go along with your wishful thinking problem and your meticulously constructed fantasy world problem?

Because it's not a simple repeal of the charlotte law, it's something else, so don't be surprised if people disagree with it for other reasons. Some people don't want government property to be managed like that.