Why so few Christians joining fight against The Mark?

[Kade]

Is that so wrong or such a terrible notion?
Does the concept of individuals having a basic moral outline for themselves (that directly conflicts with your own) offend you?
What gives you the right to say THEY are wrong, and proceed to personally attack and discredit them?

My rare but exemplary personal attacks are always warranted. As far as I take it, I debate on the grounds of reason. Should I outline the history of Western morality for you?

It affects me because the dogma is going to be end the of humanity. Can you imagine a dark ages with nuclear and biological capabilities of modern times? We are going to kill ourselves off.. A moral code that prevents this is excellent, but instead, we are a country of people actively trying to usher the "end times".

it affects me because I mostly argue points, and in return, I get statements of the bloodletting that I deserve. This isn't comparable, and your attempt to make it so is laughable.

The fact that my points are valid and caustic is none of my concern, nor is it if it offends people who use their pulpits normally to decry eternal torment and pain for everyone not like them... why is that comparable? People believe in an ETERNAL torment... seriously, wtf is that?

Surely a minor offense towards the insanity of these kinds of dogmatic rants is not nearly as bad as the latter.

Religion has stood on a mighty throne of intolerance towards non-adherents. It has been socially unacceptable to attack these ideas.

I have no compelling reason to ever silently mope in the corner while people rant and scream unbelievable levels of intolerance and hatred in the name of a so called loving GOD.

I've had enough, and more and more of us have had the same. This isn't my parents or my grandparents religion anymore. This isn't a nice day on Sunday. This is tape over the mouth, Bush-praying, Cross carrying, tongue-speaking, mega-church, young earth creationism, anti-homosexual, literalistic, anti-atheist, anti-Muslim, anti-science, anti-humanism, and anti each other insanity.

A quarter of young adults now are non-believers, and we are on the rise. How long do you think this reign of terror is going to go on?

There is nothing you can say, save perhaps that your own personal church is nothing like this... I've lived all over this country, and I've been in almost every denomination, and I've heard it all...

Hatred. Not love.

Absolute, putrid hatred of mankind.

But no, please, continue with your line of thought.

 

[Theocrat]

I'm Curious, Kade

As you wish.

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Christian theocracy is bigger than just one nation; it seeks to take dominion over the whole world! It will, too, someday, though not in my lifetime. That's why we Christians are having so many kids compared to the liberals, humanists, agnostics, etc. because our posterity will carry Christian theocracy on to infinity. There's nothing that can be done to stop it, either, my friend. It came to fruition when the Puritans first arrived here in the 1600s, and it will continue to mature until all things are under Christ's feet. The end of tyranny from relativistic, secular "atheism" will come to pass. I will fight diligently to see "atheism" bleed to death, choking in its own blood, and I will stomp it right in its head until its blood is splattered all over my "garments". That's the war against terror that I fight in. So, just know that the next time you see one of my posts that my fight is against every thought and philosophy which is against those ends, but not the people who espouse those thoughts and philosophies. I'd just thought you should know.

And how has this affected you, Kade?

 

[Kade]

And how has this affected you, Kade?

It's been this way most my life, since I left the faith. I'm mostly immune to it... it hurts a bit inside, but I don't believe all Christians are like this, or believe this inside... I worry about people like me, who have to hide themselves from their families, hundreds if not thousands of people I know now, who sit in church, who preach now, who are even heads of churches, who would never dare utter that they simply don't believe.

As you claim, we have nothing to offer. By your Calvinistic beliefs, we were destined to never hear the word of god and to suffer absolute torment for all eternity for it...

You are a sick cat Theocrat, and most of this board agree with you. If humanity survives the coming darkness, it won't be you who was remembered as fighting it.

 

[Theocrat]

What a Disgrace

As you claim, we have nothing to offer. By your Calvinistic beliefs, we were destined to never hear the word of god and to suffer absolute torment for all eternity for it...

You are a sick cat Theocrat, and most of this board agree with you. If humanity survives the coming darkness, it won't be you who was remembered as fighting it.

First of all, I never said you were destined to never hear the word of God and to suffer absolute torment for all eternity for it. Second of all and more importantly, one of my main goals and true joys of being on these forums is to share the word of God with as many people as possible, due to a love for their souls and in sincere hope they don't suffer absolute torment in eternity for their sins. You obviously are lying, plus you're ignorant about my Calvinistic beliefs, my friend, by your over simplicity of what you've just stated. That's a subject for a whole different thread, though.

You know what I think is sick, Kade? The notion that humans evolved from slime which came from nowhere; the belief that sinful man is somehow autonomous and can decide what's right for himself; the understanding that humans are nothing more than just biological bags of random mutations, subject to chemistry and physics; the presumption that there is no absolute truth and everything is relative; the prideful, ignorant, arrogant attitude that there is no God; the hypocrisy of nonbelievers in their arbitrary standards of morality, all of which pretty much sum up what the superstition of secular humanism teaches. That makes me sick, and its stench poisons my nostrils. That sort of belief will destroy mankind if it is not stopped.

Now, back to the regular subject of this forum thread, "Why So Few Christians Joining the Fight Against the Mark?" Thank you.

 

[Kade]

First of all, I never said you were destined to never hear the word of God and to suffer absolute torment for all eternity for it. Second of all and more importantly, one of my main goals and true joys of being on these forums is to share the word of God with as many people as possible, due to a love for their souls and in sincere hope they don't suffer absolute torment in eternity for their sins. You obviously are lying, plus you're ignorant about my Calvinistic beliefs, my friend, by your over simplicity of what you've just stated. That's a subject for a whole different thread, though.

You know what I think is sick, Kade? The notion that humans evolved from slime which came from nowhere; the belief that sinful man is somehow autonomous and can decide what's right for himself; the understanding that humans are nothing more than just biological bags of random mutations, subject to chemistry and physics; the presumption that there is no absolute truth and everything is relative; the prideful, ignorant, arrogant attitude that there is no God; the hypocrisy of nonbelievers in their arbitrary standards of morality, all of which pretty much sum up what the superstition of secular humanism teaches. That makes me sick, and its stench poisons my nostrils. That sort of belief will destroy mankind if it is not stopped.

Now, back to the regular subject of this forum thread, "Why So Few Christians Joining the Fight Against the Mark?" Thank you.

Evolution:

Creationism:

That's offensive to you?

 

[Theocrat]

Be Germane, Kade

Evolution:

Creationism:

That's offensive to you?

This has nothing to do with "the Mark of the Beast" nor any eschatological discussions of "the Mark." If you want to discuss/debate creationism vs. evolution with me, just send me a private message or start a new thread. Otherwise, I will not respond to you on this thread about that subject. Thanks.

 

[LEK]

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

The falling away is a process that will reach it's pinnacle whereby a great deception will be embraced. Read the whole chapter - it's quite relevant.

 

[Kade]

This has nothing to do with "the Mark of the Beast" nor any eschatological discussions of "the Mark." If you want to discuss/debate creationism vs. evolution with me, just send me a private message or start a new thread. Otherwise, I will not respond to you on this thread about that subject. Thanks.

You brought it up.

The mark of the beast is made up, like the other fairytales in the bible.

The Real ID is a serious threat. Not because it is a demon creature mark, but rather because it is a threat to liberty.

 

[Theocrat]

I Hate the Real ID, Too

The Real ID is a serious threat. Not because it is a demon creature mark, but rather because it is a threat to liberty.

Agreed.

 

[Macon GA]

The Real ID is a serious threat. Not because it is a demon creature mark, but rather because it is a threat to liberty.

Kade,

Did you ever think you would see the day when you agreed with Theocrat and me?

PLEASE, let me be the first to shout it at:

I AGREE WITH KADE'S ABOVE QUOTE!!!!


Howdy Theocrat....

I wondered if/when you would show up!

 

[Macon GA]

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

* 1 John 2:18--"Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour."
* 1 John 2:22--"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."
* 1 John 4:3--"every spirit that does not confess Jesus is from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."
* 2 John 7--"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."

1. An antichrist is anyone who does not acknowledge that Jesus has come in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7). The Jews rejected Jesus as "the Christ" (1 Jn. 2:22) and being God in human flesh (2 Jn. 7). The term is directed to Jews of the first-century who John later describes as a "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9).
2. There is more than one antichrist: "even now many antichrists have arisen" (1 Jn. 2:18).
3. The appearance of antichrists in John's day was evidence "that it is the last hour" (1 Jn. 2:18). This means that a distant end-time political antichrist figure is not a part of John's definition.
4. Therefore, no contemporary figure can be John's antichrist.

 

[Kade]

* 1 John 2:18--"Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour."
* 1 John 2:22--"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."
* 1 John 4:3--"every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."
* 2 John 7--"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."

1. An antichrist is anyone who does not acknowledge that Jesus has come in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7). The Jews rejected Jesus as "the Christ" (1 Jn. 2:22) and being God in human flesh (2 Jn. 7). The term is directed to Jews of the first-century who John later describes as a "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9).
2. There is more than one antichrist: "even now many antichrists have arisen" (1 Jn. 2:18).
3. The appearance of antichrists in John's day was evidence "that it is the last hour" (1 Jn. 2:18). This means that a distant end-time political antichrist figure is not a part of John's definition.
4. Therefore, no contemporary figure can be John's antichrist.

Wait, are you calling me the Antichrist?

 

[Macon GA]

Nah....not THE antichrist as many Dispensationalists believe.

You are just one of many "antichrists."

 

[Time for Change]

delete this post

 

[Kade]

Nah....not THE antichrist as many Dispensationalists believe.

You are just one of many "antichrists."

and honestly, after calling me this, and believing this, and spouting this, I'm suppose to stay quiet and not "offend" you with what I think of this batshit?

Give me a break. Seriously, and Macon, you were relatively calm into you ran into familydog and Theocrat.

Now that they banned another Atheist off the forums, there are only so many allies I have here...

 

[pcosmar]

Nah....not THE antichrist as many Dispensationalists believe.

You are just one of many "antichrists."

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
An·ti·christ /ˈæntɪˌkraɪst/
–noun Theology.
1. a particular personage or power, variously identified or explained, who is conceived of as appearing in the world as the principal antagonist of Christ.
2. (sometimes lowercase) an opponent of Christ; a person or power antagonistic to Christ.
3. (often lowercase) a disbeliever in Christ.
4. (often lowercase) a false Christ.
[Origin: bef. 1150; ME, OE < LL Antichrīstus < LGk Antíchrīstos the Antichrist. See anti-, Christ]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

By the definition,
You would fall into the #2 and #3 definition.

The poster is correct.

 

[jmdrake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MrVup9Dl4U

For over twenty years, "Patriot Pastor" Garrett Lear has strode the halls of New Hampshire's legislature...serving as a voice for his faith and his Revolutionary War ancestors. Today he talks with us about Real ID, the liberty deficit among Christians and his colorful outfit. Pastor Lear's church is in Wakefield, New Hampshire.

What do *you* think? Is Real ID the Mark of the Beast? A precursor to it? A bad thing? A good thing?

Because George W. Bush supports RealID. It's that simple. If Clinton was rolling this out conservative Christians would be up in arms. Don't believe me? Just look at "No Child Left Behind". Clinton tried a much more modest "Goals 2000" and Christians acted like it was the end of the world.

And for the God haters out there, forget for a moment whether or not YOU believe in the supernatural. The NWO is made up of believers, only they think Lucifer is the GOOD guy. They are bound and determined to implement the "mark of the beast" as an homage to their false god.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[Macon GA]

and honestly, after calling me this, and believing this, and spouting this, I'm suppose to stay quiet and not "offend" you with what I think of this

Kade,

I can't believe you have a problem with me calling you an antichrist. You are anti-christian. Are you offended because I called you that? Why? It is true. Read the definition provided by pcosmar.

For the record, I am still "pretty calm." Just calling it like I see it.

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

Don't be alarmed if believers are still here when there is the required acceptance of the 'mark'. In my years of study, I have not seen any evidence of a pre-tribulation rapture.

that's a big can of worms

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

...Now that they banned another Atheist off the forums, there are only so many allies I have here...

allies against what? theists? i didn't know we were fighting