Why so few Christians joining fight against The Mark?

[Dr.3D]

I don't understand this sentence. What prophecy has come true specifically? I don't want quotes about white horses or vague lands of evil or blah blah blah as an answer.

Well, there are so many, I don't really know where to start.
I'll select one.

Daniel 9:24-27 (Prophecy of the birth of Jesus, the Messiah.)

Notice the 70 weeks, they are actually weeks of years.
If you study the Jubilee Calendar, you will notice how every seven years, is considered a week.

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given in 457BC.
Here is the Decree as written in the book of Ezra.

Ezra 7:1 - 8:36 (Decree is given to restore and rebuild.)

Now if you count 70 times 7, you get the year of the end of the 70th week, that week starts 27CE when Jesus was baptized. In the middle of that week (7 year period), Jesus died on the cross 30CE, the end of the 70th week is in the year 33CE. The very next year, begins the Christian Trusteeship of the Gospel, in 34CE.

It takes some study, but when you look at the books and understand what is being said it all comes together.

 

[Dr.3D]

I don't want to get into this... this is just patently false...

Most of the so called prophecies were written after the fact... anything afterward is just plain insane. Nothing specific is mentioned or proven true... nothing after the time it was written.

How many times does the bible say that "The day of the LORD is at hand." or "The great day of the LORD is near."

Or this: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

Yea. That didn't work.

Or how about Tyre? Wasn't that prophesied to be destroyed?

Or this: 0:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

This: 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Or this epic piece: 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

That didn't happen.

That is why I said to date. Not all of them have happened yet.

 

[Time for Change]

You have no idea what religious persecution is... how fucking dare you.

There is real persecution in this country, from all groups of people. It is bred of intolerance and hate and misunderstanding. That you question my right to speak my mind and equate with such brutality is ostensibly offensive.

I cannot determine your intent or what you are trying to accomplish here.
Have I personally attacked you or your belief system? NO.
Have I attempted to discredit your belief system? NO.
Have I said you need to convert to anyone else's belief system? NO.

Has your belief system caused you to financially suffer?
Has your belief system caused you to suffer physical harm?
Has anyone else’s?

May I request that you provide some examples of the "intolerance and hate and misunderstanding" you reference, and how it has affected you?

Please enlighten us all. ..
"intolerance and hate and misunderstanding" of what exactly?
What is your definition of religious persecution?
Provide examples where applicable.
(please refrain from using vague profanity when you can, instead provide substantial and un-questionable evidence.)

You have every right to speak your mind, nobody is questioning that, but not at the expense of discrediting somebody else's entire way of life.

Will you be satisfied if we all act collectively and say “You know what...You are correct.”

There is no reason to believe in anything that has not been personally experienced.
There is no proof of an afterlife; therefore, it must not exist.
There is nothing to look forward to beyond our little existence.
There is no justification for living by the rules outlined in the bible since there is no proof that outline of moral standards can reap any tangible rewards today.
There is no reward for living a life as outlined in an ancient book
There is no proof that anyone actually experienced what is written in the bible, or any other book for that matter.
There is no reason to think individually and attempt to interpret and relate current events to our belief system.

Sarcasm aside…like it or not…
I believe that the entire religious system was created to provide a basic outline for civilization and the way people interact / behave.
The premise: there are eternal rewards for living a life of kindness, compassion and relative humility toward other people.
There is punishment for lying, cheating, stealing, killing and screwing everything that walks.
It is a means of providing order, if you will.

Is that so wrong or such a terrible notion?
Does the concept of individuals having a basic moral outline for themselves (that directly conflicts with your own) offend you?
What gives you the right to say THEY are wrong, and proceed to personally attack and discredit them?

 

[Macon GA]

O.k. I can't stand it.

Kade, please don't try to exposit the Bible..... I am afraid your contempt for all things Christian may cloud your judgment....(to say the least).

Mark 13:30 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

Jesus was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Again.... It was not the "end times" as so many Dispensationalists believe. That idea has only been around for 150 years or so. Does it make Christians look foolish????..... yes.

Jesus came in judgment. That GENERATION (not race) was still alive. Those who believed Christ fled to the mountains and escaped the Romans. The Temple was utterly destroyed (as had been prophesied). Titus even had the foundation dug up.
The events in Matthew 24 have ALREADY happened..... They proved that CHRIST was KING and seated at the right hand of God. Christ is reigning as KING now, setting all of his enemies up under his feet.

Look up Postmillenialism, PLEASE.

 

[boomcreek]

O.k. I can't stand it.

Kade, please don't try to exposit the Bible..... I am afraid your contempt for all things Christian may cloud your judgment....(to say the least).




Jesus was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Again.... It was not the "end times" as so many Dispensationalists believe. That idea has only been around for 150 years or so. Does it make Christians look foolish????..... yes.

Jesus came in judgment. That GENERATION (not race) was still alive. Those who believed Christ fled to the mountains and escaped the Romans. The Temple was utterly destroyed (as had been prophesied). Titus even had the foundation dug up.
The events in Matthew 24 have ALREADY happened..... They proved that CHRIST was KING and seated at the right hand of God. Christ is reigning as KING now, setting all of his enemies up under his feet.

Look up Postmillenialism, PLEASE.

Very Good! I was going to say that it is "a matter of faith"...perhaps the dividing factor between those who "have ears to hear" and those who don't.

 

[Dr.3D]

How sad it is.....

 

[sophocles07]

Well, there are so many, I don't really know where to start.
I'll select one.

Daniel 9:24-27 (Prophecy of the birth of Jesus, the Messiah.)

Notice the 70 weeks, they are actually weeks of years.
If you study the Jubilee Calendar, you will notice how every seven years, is considered a week.

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given in 457BC.
Here is the Decree as written in the book of Ezra.

Ezra 7:1 - 8:36 (Decree is given to restore and rebuild.)

Now if you count 70 times 7, you get the year of the end of the 70th week, that week starts 27CE when Jesus was baptized. In the middle of that week (7 year period), Jesus died on the cross 30CE, the end of the 70th week is in the year 33CE. The very next year, begins the Christian Trusteeship of the Gospel, in 34CE.

It takes some study, but when you look at the books and understand what is being said it all comes together.

Alllllright..."nevermind"

*walks slowly away*

 

[Dr.3D]

Alllllright..."nevermind"

*walks slowly away*

Yep, even the so called Christians can't even agree. I can see why there is so much confusion.

 

[dawnbt]

If we read Daniel 12:11 correctly, then do we think of a day as being a year?

If so, then in the year 70 CE, the temple was destroyed and the sacrificing was ended. If we then add 1290 years to that, we come up with the year 1360.

What happened in the year 1360?

Or are we talking about the years between 538-1798?

The Daniel verse is an end time prophecy. One thousand two hundred and ninety days is about 3 1/2 years.

 

[Dr.3D]

The Daniel verse is an end time prophecy. One thousand two hundred and ninety days is about 3 1/2 years.

OK... we have a lot of interpretations. Postmillenialism, Premillenialsim, Pre-tribulation rapture, Post-tribulation rapture, Mid-tribulation rapture, you name it.

I can see why there are so many atheists. You can't even get a straight answer from those who claim to be the 'Christians'.

 

[dawnbt]

This is taken from: http://www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/02-22-05.asp

In John 11:1, John is told to measure the temple. Since the temple was destroyed in A.D. 70, this must be the temple before it was destroyed. This means that Revelation was written prior to the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70. The burden of proof is on those who claim this is a reference to a rebuilt temple. There is not a single verse in the NT that says anything about a rebuilt temple. Yes, the OT does refer to a rebuilt temple. That temple was rebuilt (see Ezra and Nehemiah). The temple that Jesus said would be destroyed— “not one stone left upon another” (24:2)—was a rebuilt temple. In order for there to be another rebuilt temple, the NT would have to say something about it. It doesn’t.

Not true. The old testiment also prophesises end times. However, many believe that the temple will be built next to the Dome of the Rock as it states in Revelations 11:1-2. Others believe that the Dome of the Rock will be demolished and the temple put it in its place. There are many versions depending on religious sect. This is where the Antichrist is to sit and state that he is the Messiah.

 

[Time for Change]

This is where the Antichrist is to sit and state that he is the Messiah.

I wonder if the MSM will report THAT...lol

 

[dawnbt]

As for the original question...I believe the Real ID is a precursor for the RFID chip.

 

[dawnbt]

I wonder if the MSM will report THAT...lol

LOL! Of course they will. They will be shouting, "The Messiah has come! The Messiah has come! Believe! Believe! Believe!"

 

[Macon GA]

Dawnbt:

This is where the Antichrist is to sit and state that he is the Messiah.

Wrong. There are only four places in Scripture where one can find the word antichrist/antichrists. Three are in I John, and one in II John.

John concludes that there is not one antichrist but many. Please, look it up.

The eschatology that most modern churches teach today, make for good fiction, and Tim LaHaye has certainly made millions from it, but TERRIBLE theology. No single AntiChrist.... who recovers from a mortal wound and then pronounces himself ruler. No mark of the beast, the number 666 tattooed on our foreheads or installed as a microchip under our skin. No armageddon, and dare I say it:

NO RAPTURE. (can't find that one in the Scriptures either)

This heretical teaching has done more to cripple the church than any atheist/agnostic agenda could ever do.

You have millions of Christians sitting around in their "prayer closets" strumming their guitars singing Kum Ba Yah, all while waiting on Jesus to "rapture" them out of this evil world. No need to get involved in politics or anything else... after all, why should we polish the brass on a sinking ship.

What in the world do you think the Lord meant when he taught the disciples to pray saying:

"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

 

[Dr.3D]

Dawnbt:



Wrong. There are only four places in Scripture where one can find the word antichrist/antichrists. Three are in I John, and one in II John.

John concludes that there is not one antichrist but many. Please, look it up.

The eschatology that most modern churches teach today, make for good fiction, and Tim LaHaye has certainly made millions from it, but TERRIBLE theology. No single AntiChrist.... who recovers from a mortal wound and then pronounces himself ruler. No mark of the beast, the number 666 tattooed on our foreheads or installed as a microchip under our skin. No armageddon, and dare I say it:

NO RAPTURE. (can't find that one in the Scriptures either)

This heretical teaching has done more to cripple the church than any atheist/agnostic agenda could ever do.

You have millions of Christians sitting around in their "prayer closets" strumming their guitars singing Kum Ba Yah, all while waiting on Jesus to "rapture" them out of this evil world. No need to get involved in politics or anything else... after all, why should we polish the brass on a sinking ship.

What in the world do you think the Lord meant when he taught the disciples to pray saying:

"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

So let me get this straight. The Spanish Inquisition, WWI and WWII are all part of this wonderful earthly kingdom?

 

[Macon GA]

Dr. 3D,

Through one man sin entered the world. Sin brought with it death and misery. Through one who was fully man and fully God, salvation entered the world. He is reigning now, while seated at God's right hand. All authority under heaven and earth has been given to Him.

As I type this, He is placing all of his enemies up under His precious feet in His own timing.

 

[dawnbt]

Dawnbt:



Wrong. There are only four places in Scripture where one can find the word antichrist/antichrists. Three are in I John, and one in II John.

John concludes that there is not one antichrist but many. Please, look it up.

The eschatology that most modern churches teach today, make for good fiction, and Tim LaHaye has certainly made millions from it, but TERRIBLE theology. No single AntiChrist.... who recovers from a mortal wound and then pronounces himself ruler. No mark of the beast, the number 666 tattooed on our foreheads or installed as a microchip under our skin. No armageddon, and dare I say it:

NO RAPTURE. (can't find that one in the Scriptures either)

This heretical teaching has done more to cripple the church than any atheist/agnostic agenda could ever do.

You have millions of Christians sitting around in their "prayer closets" strumming their guitars singing Kum Ba Yah, all while waiting on Jesus to "rapture" them out of this evil world. No need to get involved in politics or anything else... after all, why should we polish the brass on a sinking ship.

What in the world do you think the Lord meant when he taught the disciples to pray saying:

"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

How can you say you have read the scriptures and then say that there will be no rapture, no mark of the beast and no armageddon?
As far as the rapture according to the Websters dictionary, Rapture means: "he final assumption of Christians into heaven during the end-time according to Christian theology". The bible may not say the word rapture, however the meaning is implied in many scriptures such as 1 C 15:52; 2 Co 12:2-4; 1 THh 4:17; and Rev 4:1.

Mark of the beast~ Rev. 13:16-18

Armageddon~ Rev 16:16

As far as the Antichrist 2 Th 2:3-12 may not say antichrist, but that is who he is talking about. I'm not sure why it matters if there are 4 scriptures pertaining to the anitchrist or 100, he's still in there.

 

[Theocrat]

And All the Church Said

Dr. 3D,

Through one man sin entered the world. Sin brought with it death and misery. Through one who was fully man and fully God, salvation entered the world. He is reigning now, while seated at God's right hand. All authority under heaven and earth has been given to Him.

As I type this, He is placing all of his enemies up under His precious feet in His own timing.

Amen! ("Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.")

 

[Kade]

May I request that you provide some examples of the "intolerance and hate and misunderstanding" you reference, and how it has affected you?

As you wish.

Christian theocracy is bigger than just one nation; it seeks to take dominion over the whole world! It will, too, someday, though not in my lifetime. That's why we Christians are having so many kids compared to the liberals, humanists, agnostics, etc. because our posterity will carry Christian theocracy on to infinity. There's nothing that can be done to stop it, either, my friend. It came to fruition when the Puritans first arrived here in the 1600s, and it will continue to mature until all things are under Christ's feet. The end of tyranny from relativistic, secular "atheism" will come to pass. I will fight diligently to see "atheism" bleed to death, choking in its own blood, and I will stomp it right in its head until its blood is splattered all over my "garments". That's the war against terror that I fight in. So, just know that the next time you see one of my posts that my fight is against every thought and philosophy which is against those ends, but not the people who espouse those thoughts and philosophies. I'd just thought you should know.