Why should someone support a sell out like Rand?

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I mean no disrespect to my fellow libertarians and want to keep this discussion civil. However, I wonder why people are supporting Rand Paul when he is clearly a cuckservative sellout. He changes his positions a lot just like a career politician. He is not the principled libertarian like his father is who always refused to bend.

Personally, I will support Rand Paul if there were no other options as I don't think he is a horrible guy but if someone who is pro-white like Trump comes along its no contest, I will support the non-cuck.

The reason I am against Rand Paul being a cuck is because it doesn't make any sense to support other races who are largely the enemies of liberty and are very racist and bigoted themselves. Rand is clearly wrong that pandering to minorities is the future of America and the republican party as polls consistently show non-whites are in favor of big government and non-libertarian ideals. I strongly believe this is the reason he only got 2 percent of the vote in the Republican primary. He is clearly out of touch.
 
What exactly is a cuckservative, Ron Paul in 2008? I won't be able to make sense of your point here without knowing what that is. Thanks.

As far as Rand, you won't find many better at the moment. I mean, I disagree with him on a few policy positions but he's a friend in Liberty.
 
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I mean no disrespect to my fellow libertarians and want to keep this discussion civil. However, I wonder why people are supporting Rand Paul when he is clearly a cuckservative sellout. He changes his positions a lot just like a career politician. He is not the principled libertarian like his father is who always refused to bend.

Personally, I will support Rand Paul if there were no other options as I don't think he is a horrible guy but if someone who is pro-white like Trump comes along its no contest, I will support the non-cuck.

The reason I am against Rand Paul being a cuck is because it doesn't make any sense to support other races who are largely the enemies of liberty and are very racist and bigoted themselves. Rand is clearly wrong that pandering to minorities is the future of America and the republican party as polls consistently show non-whites are in favor of big government and non-libertarian ideals. I strongly believe this is the reason he only got 2 percent of the vote in the Republican primary. He is clearly out of touch.

Calling Rand Paul a 'cuckservative sellout' on Ron Paul Forums is either trolling for laughs or you're a douche.

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What exactly is a cuckservative, Ron Paul in 2008? I won't be able to make sense of your point here without knowing what that is. Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckservative

As far as Rand, you won't find many better at the moment.

Trump?

I mean, I disagree with him on a few policy positions but he's a friend in Liberty.

The issue I have with Paul is that he is weak on the most important issues such as immigration. I do believe this is the reason he failed to win the republican nomination and every one of his supporters like me fled to Trump.
 
Calling Rand Paul a 'cuckservative sellout' on Ron Paul Forums is either trolling for laughs or you're a douche.

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I respect that everyone here supports Rand, but those are my feelings. I don't mean to piss people off. sorry.

Btw, convince me to support him again.
 
Rand's definitely got to ditch the pandering the next time around. It's easy to make excuses, but his campaign for President in 2015-2016 was just atrocious.

I completely agree. I swear, and make my words. If Rand stopped pandering to minorities and just started pandering to white voters who are fed up with the system and stopped voting like Trump did I will get behind him and he could realistically win. I really do believe his pandering is the reason he lost.
 
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The term cuck is contemptuous and simply an alt-right term to denigrate individuals in groups they don't like. It is counter to our mission and against guidelines.

While I have resisted doing much more than simple modding here. I am going to start giving infractions to anyone I see using it

Here is a relevant section of the guidelines:



Changing the title now, and I'll let others on the mod team see if further action is warranted...

Alright, the rules are important to me. I wont use the word anymore.

RP2008
 
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What exactly is a cuckservative

a alt-right cuck is
anyone that doesn't think
uncle should protect
our "american" daughters
from getting fucked by "non-americans"

a stormfront cuck is
anyone that doesn't think
uncle should protect
our "white" daughters
from getting fucked by "non-whites"

cuckold porn genre
portrays a weak looking white man
watching his hot wife
get fucked by a big strong black man


It boils to the nationalist's fetishism with dysgenics;
a fear of genetic degradation for the "race nationalists"
and somewhat distinctly; cultural degradation for the "alt-right" cultural nationalists

The term cuck is contemptuous and simply an alt-right term to denigrate individuals in groups they don't like.

no its not used as a catch all term; and its not being used that way here. "cuck" has specific connotation to protectionist stances on immigration and adversity to private sector civil rights issues.

I'm a cuck; I don't think uncle should defend my hot wife from getting fucked by anyone but me; I intend to take care of the issue myself.

this said I do get along with nationalists on the civil rights issues.

but not for the same reasons... they don't want their hot wives getting fucked by people outside of their nation.... I just want business owners to have the right to free association.

the nationalists and I part on immigration. I want freedom to invite anyone I want to my property; the nationalists think that my foreign hard working guests are going to fuck their hot wives.
 
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Rand's definitely got to ditch the pandering the next time around. It's easy to make excuses, but his campaign for President in 2015-2016 was just atrocious.

This, stop importing future welfare voters, and selling out the base your father created...Also maybe next time punch Sharpton in the fact when you do a photo op.
 
The term cuck is contemptuous and simply an alt-right term to denigrate individuals in groups they don't like. It is counter to our mission and against guidelines.

While I have resisted doing much more than simple modding here. I am going to start giving infractions to anyone I see using it

Here is a relevant section of the guidelines:



Changing the title now, and I'll let others on the mod team see if further action is warranted...


So if a person is a liar, would be a COC violation to call them that?

If a person acts like a Cuckservative,why not call them out?
 
It's amazing that you can go around calling someone who had stated they didn't support the provisions in the CRA related to private businesses a "cuck".

Maybe if you were able to elevate your thought processes a little bit you could see what Rand was trying to accomplish and how it was in your best interest. But you are so obsessed with race baiting, you're as bad as some of the SJWs.

Now his strategy may not have worked well in part because a huge backlash occurred against the SJW movement right around the time he was making some of his arguments about criminal justice reform and Trump ended up riding that wave, but that doesn't make Rand a bad guy and it doesn't make Trump any better. But the whole point of Rand's strategy was to get more independent votes and win the election so he could give us more liberty. It doesn't matter what he said about criminal justice reform or how many African American events he attended, what matters is that we have liberty. If you can't recognize that I'm not sure why you are a fan of Ron Paul.

Rand was making the arguments about criminal justice because he wants to end the war on drugs and this side issue of minorities being unfairly treated by police is a good way to start on that line of reasoning. It is a good way to bring people together and win elections. The fact is EVERYBODY is being treated unfairly by police when they get arrested for a drug crime. Now it's true that blacks and hispanics tend to commit more actual crimes as well, and if drugs were legalized we might find that minorities still end up being in large part the target of police activity. But AT LEAST it would be legitimate police activity and not harassment for drugs.

The best thing for white people, or black people, or asians, or any group is liberty and freedom, including freedom of association. The Judeo-Christian values you like so much are heavily intertwined in liberty, so first of all you want a candidate who respects liberty. That is the liberty to live with people whose values you prefer in order to be prosperous and continue to spread those values.

Trump may pay lip service to the values you like, but he is still a bit of an authoritarian and doesn't have a whole lot of respect for freedom. He may be a lot better than Hillary in a lot of ways, he may know how to get the attention of the media, increase his poll numbers and win an election, but that doesn't mean his policies are better for you than Rand's policies.
 
The OP still has a chapped ass because Ron Paul kept his donation while his campaign manager accused him of having a "small-minded ideology."
 
The term cuck is contemptuous and simply an alt-right term to denigrate individuals in groups they don't like. It is counter to our mission and against guidelines.

While I have resisted doing much more than simple modding here. I am going to start giving infractions to anyone I see using it

Here is a relevant section of the guidelines:



Changing the title now, and I'll let others on the mod team see if further action is warranted...

Seems like some friends might likely be piggy-backing on our platform in a small organized effort to echo a counter agenda. Really reads more like stormfront. I don't know that I like all of the "we" language either.
 
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It's amazing that you can go around calling someone who had stated they didn't support the provisions in the CRA related to private businesses a "cuck".

You must be ignoring the times he urged the republican party to change its color to be more like the democrats and the future of America. If that is not pandering or "cuckold" behavior I don't know what is.

Maybe if you were able to elevate your thought processes a little bit you could see what Rand was trying to accomplish

Yeah, he is trying to be politically correct and kill my race because it doesn't matter to him. He doesn't support the CRA for racist reasons...

and how it was in your best interest. But you are so obsessed with race baiting, you're as bad as some of the SJWs.

How am I being a race baiter?

Now his strategy may not have worked well in part because a huge backlash occurred against the SJW movement right around the time he was making some of his arguments about criminal justice reform and Trump ended up riding that wave, but that doesn't make Rand a bad guy

Which is what I wrote in my original post.

and it doesn't make Trump any better.

Doesn't it make Trump smarter?

But the whole point of Rand's strategy was to get more independent votes and win the election so he could give us more liberty.

But by trying to pander to non-white voters he was ignoring white voters. You know the word for that?

Secondly I disagree with his strategy because its out of touch. Instead of pandering to Americans who are fed up with the system and aggrieved by it he is pandering to non-whites who hate our ideas. Since when have minorities supported Dr. Ron Paul? I have been to a few Ron Paul rallies and libertarian events and they are as white as snow. Rand is ignoring his own supporters. Rand is behaving just like the neocons who have been trying to get non-whites to vote for them for decades to no success. What makes Rand Paul believe he is special and will succeed where everyone else has failed?

It doesn't matter what he said about criminal justice reform or how many African American events he attended, what matters is that we have liberty.

Yes, but we have different ways of achieving it. I think my way is much more realistic as proven by Donald Trump. I mean Rand Paul failed and failed badly. He needs to rethink his strategy. I don't know why you are following someone who failed to succeed. It seems to me you need a better leader.

Rand was making the arguments about criminal justice because he wants to end the war on drugs and this side issue of minorities being unfairly treated by police is a good way to start on that line of reasoning.

I don't have an issue with that. Even Donald Trump panders to minorities a little bit , but he doesn't overdo it and he represents white voters first.

It is a good way to bring people together and win elections.

I doubt that we can unify other races to support the same candidate. We have been trying that since the beginning of this country and it has never worked. Nobody has ever succeeded.

The fact is EVERYBODY is being treated unfairly by police when they get arrested for a drug crime. Now it's true that blacks and hispanics tend to commit more actual crimes as well, and if drugs were legalized we might find that minorities still end up being in large part the target of police activity. But AT LEAST it would be legitimate police activity and not harassment for drugs.

I'm for decriminalizing drugs.

The best thing for white people, or black people, or asians, or any group is liberty and freedom, including freedom of association.

Yes.

The Judeo-Christian values you like so much are heavily intertwined in liberty, so first of all you want a candidate who respects liberty.

Donald Trump will not let millions of democratic voters come into the country to dominate our elections.

That is the liberty to live with people whose values you prefer in order to be prosperous and continue to spread those values.

Exactly. Yet how is changing immigration laws to let in non-whites who are anti-liberty going to help our cause? I just don't think Rand is realistic and I do believe hes a bit naïve. Someone with such naïve thinking I don't think is suited to be POTUS or even a Senator. I think we'll be much better off supporting other more realistic libertarians.

Trump may pay lip service to the values you like, but he is still a bit of an authoritarian

Yes.

and doesn't have a whole lot of respect for freedom.

Do you have examples?

He may be a lot better than Hillary in a lot of ways, he may know how to get the attention of the media, increase his poll numbers and win an election, but that doesn't mean his policies are better for you than Rand's policies.

Rand complained that the reason that he lost the election was because he wasn't getting the millions of dollars of free media that Trump was getting. The reason Trump was getting free media is because he was really pissing off the establishment and fighting them. Rand Paul expects to agree and be like a docile slave to the media and get the same attention which is just stupid in a field of 16 candidates (not including the democratic candidates as well). I assure you if Rand Paul wasn't weak (I say this as my opinion) and he was as strong as Trump he would have gotten all the free media and publicity too.
 
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