Why Sen Mike Lee (R-UT) voted for "indefinite detention" of US citizens?

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The amendment that was voted on was Udall's amendment. Rand has his own amendment.

SA 1107. Mr. UDALL of Colorado submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 1867, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2012 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes; as follows:

Strike subtitle D of title X and insert the following:


Subtitle D--Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. REVIEW OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

(a) In General.--Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall, in consultation with appropriate officials in the Executive Office of the President, the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Attorney General, submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report setting forth the following:

(1) A statement of the position of the Executive Branch on the appropriate role for the Armed Forces of the United States in the detention and prosecution of covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)).

(2) A statement and assessment of the legal authority asserted by the Executive Branch for such detention and prosecution.

(3) A statement of any existing deficiencies or anticipated deficiencies in the legal authority for such detention and prosecution.

(b) Covered Persons.--A covered person under this section is any person, other than a member of the Armed Forces of the United States, whose detention or prosecution by the Armed Forces of the United States is consistent with the laws of war and based on authority provided by any of the following:

(1) The Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40).

(2) The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution 2002 (Public Law 107-243).

(3) Any other statutory or constitutional authority for use of military force.

(c) Congressional Action.--Each of the appropriate committees of Congress may, not later than 45 days after receipt of the report required by subsection (a), hold a hearing on the report, and shall, within 45 days of such hearings, report to Congress legislation, if such committee determines legislation is appropriate and advisable, modifying or expanding the authority of the Executive Branch to carry out detention and prosecution of covered persons.

(d) Appropriate Committees of Congress Defined.--In this section, the term ``appropriate committees of Congress'' means--

(1) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate; and

(2) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives.
 
Maybe there's an amendment that clarifies that this particular provision does not apply to U.S citizens. That may be the type of amendment that Mike Lee supports.
 
My guess is... he is a conservative. Before Sen. Lee and Sen. Paul were elected, a couple of the most pro-liberty senators were Sen. Sununu and Sen. Smith of NH. However, being the best conservative or most liberty voting senator doesn't mean you always vote for liberty, far from it. You can find dozens of cases where Sununu and Smith voted against absolute liberty. My guess is the same will be true for Lee. I am not sure about Paul. Paul might be the first senator in decades that almost always votes for liberty.

That said, Sen. Lee is still a fantastic senator. He is the 2nd best senator in the country. I've very glad he is in office and I support most of what he does. Thank you Sen. Lee for being the 2nd best senator!
 
Were you under the impression that someone in government besides the Pauls understood freedom?
 
My guess is... he is a conservative. Before Sen. Lee and Sen. Paul were elected, a couple of the most pro-liberty senators were Sen. Sununu and Sen. Smith of NH. However, being the best conservative or most liberty voting senator doesn't mean you always vote for liberty, far from it. You can find dozens of cases where Sununu and Smith voted against absolute liberty. My guess is the same will be true for Lee. I am not sure about Paul. Paul might be the first senator in decades that almost always votes for liberty.

That said, Sen. Lee is still a fantastic senator. He is the 2nd best senator in the country. I've very glad he is in office and I support most of what he does. Thank you Sen. Lee for being the 2nd best senator!

You're probably right about that. But it just seems strange that Mike Lee opposes the Patriot Act but supports indefinite detention of U.S citizens. In my opinion, this bill is far worse than the Patriot Act.
 
Another sellout.

Guys, there's only one Ron Paul.

No one but Paul in '12 !!
 
Lee also voted against Rand's amendment to officially end the Iraq war but at least DeMint voted for it.
 
WHAT!? I am so confused... Mike Lee, this DEMANDS an explanation!!!!

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why he cosponsored a bill with Chucky Schumer to sell US homes to the Chinese and give them citizenship as part of a convoluted scheme to maximize profits for Goldman Sachs.
 
The Judge discusses this...

So it appears that Mike Lee did not vote along with Rand on the Udall Amendment. It seems like the "Rand" Amendment on indefinite detention never materialized. Or was the Udall Amendment a compromise which replaced any Rand amendment on detention? It's not clear.
 
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