Why Ron Paul Supporters Should Vote For Bernie Sanders

FYI. Sander wants to reintroduce because the Fairness Doctrine and threaten talk radio hosts because "95-98% are right wing extremists", ban certain people and companies from donating in political campaigns, ban hate speech, ban all guns that can be "used in self defense", he routinely claims that immigrants are damaging the middle class, routinely blames foreign countries for economic problems in the US, routinely says that the rich are in on a conspiracy to stop his goals, and the guy has even been caught off camera threatening a Libertarian journalist for asking him difficult questions.

Sanders is not some nice old guy. He is how totalitarianism comes to the United States and represents a Hugo Chavez style blend of Nationalism and Socialism. Most candidates have some nationalist and socialist beliefs, but Sanders is on a different level, which combined with his demagoguery, is the most dangerous kind. Unlike most democrats who love the rich lobbyist and won't actually try to destroy them (rather they would generally help them through regulatory, monetary, and tax policy [loopholes]), Sanders actually means it. He also really would take free speech, censor opposition through force, implement major gun bans, scapegoat everyone else citing conspiracies, and ignore what 90+% of economist have to say about price controls and international trade if he could.
 
So what I am sensing here is that you believe that somehow practically every single climate scientist, including ones from private universities, have been bought out by the government in order to fool the population into believing that the government must take action to avoid climate catastrophe. Seems a little far-fetched. Why would you believe that instead of just agreeing with the conclusions that actual climate experts are nearly unanimous about. Are you a PhD in climate studies too, or are you just making up a theory so that you'll feel more comfortable about your other beliefs?
actually if you know how the government grant system works you would know it is not far fetched to see studies written to ensure funding. I have a professional grant writer in the family and this is common.
 
Isn't he talking about a hand gun ban?

I can understand some concern about how handguns are sold or even having a dialogue about background checks, but elimination of handguns in America seems like a ridiculous idea that is unenforceable or makes currently law abiding citizens into criminals.
 
Isn't he talking about a hand gun ban?

I can understand some concern about how handguns are sold or even having a dialogue about background checks, but elimination of handguns in America seems like a ridiculous idea that is unenforceable or makes currently law abiding citizens into criminals.
He's talking about "assault rifles."

That is, a rifle which cosmetically looks 'scary.'

What's the issue with handguns versus other firearms?
 
That 97% of climate scientists believe that our climate is warming due to human activity is what I am saying. The fact that it is due to increased CO2 emissions is quite obvious, seeing how CO2 is a greenhouse gas and how well correlated increased CO2 is with increased global temperatures. These charts show that correlation quite well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

i appreciate your reply. You're very mistaken, but at least you're not making a post and then running away to hide. Your link says nothing about 97% of scientists agreeing the earth is warming due to man. But more importantly, do 97% say that's a problem???
do 97% say we can make the earth cool if we stop CO2 from entering the atmosphere? Not sure if you took 3rd grade science but you're exhaling CO2 right now. I hope Sanders has a plan to limit your CO2 exhaling.

Your link says CO2 has increased by 40% since 1750. Which scientist in the mid 1700s was able to study greenhouse gasses?! And CO2 makes up way under 1% of the atmosphere. I think it could be .0004% but I don't remember offhand. So is a 40% increase good or bad? What is the exact percentage of CO2 we need in the atmosphere? what is out target percentage? You can't say more or less.....scientists need numbers to be specific - so what do they say we "need"? And of course, how can we achieve this? By we, of course, I only mean Americans. Americans limiting coal burning is going to save the planet, that's why you want these policies, right?
im looking forward to your specific answers.
 
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Terrestrial Atmosphere

Surface pressure: 1014 mb
Surface density: 1.217 kg/m3
Scale height: 8.5 km
Total mass of atmosphere: 5.1 x 1018 kg
Total mass of hydrosphere: 1.4 x 1021 kg
Average temperature: 288 K (15 C)
Diurnal temperature range: 283 K to 293 K (10 to 20 C)
Wind speeds: 0 to 100 m/s
Mean molecular weight: 28.97 g/mole
Atmospheric composition (by volume, dry air):
Major : 78.084% Nitrogen (N2), 20.946% Oxygen (O2),
Minor (ppm): Argon (Ar) - 9340; Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - 400
Neon (Ne) - 18.18; Helium (He) - 5.24; CH4 - 1.7
Krypton (Kr) - 1.14; Hydrogen (H2) - 0.55
Water is highly variable, typically makes up about 1%

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
 
His brand of "socialism" is simply trying to return America to a more true democratic republic, instead of the oligarchy which it is today. If anyone is interested, this Sanders subreddit explains his platform well.

Number one: If Sanders wasn't perfectly willing to let the big corporations have their way, you'd have heard about as much about him in the media as you've heard about Martin O'Malley or Jim Webb. Which is to say, nothing. Who do you think runs the media? Whose commercials do they air? You're misplacing your faith.

Number two: If you were actually thinking about how to strip power from the Oligarchy, the last thing you'd be calling for is federal control of everything. Suppose Washington controls your police department and your board of education (and it has nearly gotten that bad already). If the Democrats replace education with propaganda and the Republicans fill your police department with bloodthirsty ex-Marines that want to shoot everyone who frowns at them, how do you fix it? Even if everyone in the nation isn't so wrapped up arguing over gay marriage and abortion to worry about your police and your local schools, how do you fix it?

I'll tell you how to fix it, if you really want to know. You take responsibility for your local board of education and your local law enforcement out of the hands of Washington, and you and your neighbors handle it yourselves. That's how you fight tyranny, not by desperately trying to find the right micromismanagers to send to Washington. Yeah, supposedly the advantage to sending all our money to Washington is Washington steals from the rich states and gives to the poor states. That's the only logical argument against local control. But I live in a poor state, and I can assure you that most of the federal money we pay does not come back to us. We pay our federal taxes, but Amtrak made us pay extra out of our state budget for the only Amtrak service we have. I guess all the federal taxes we pay Amtrak goes to keeping the rich of Connecticut from driving into New York City by keeping commuter fares below the cost of parking. Washington steals from the poor and gives to the rich because they're much more interested in getting kickbacks than in loving us and making us happy.

The whole concept is stupid on the face of it. Washington is known to be corrupt and inefficient. Someone has to pay the utilities and the salaries and the extra for bribes. The best case scenario is the rich states pay all that overhead and the poor states get back what they paid in (and no more). That's the best case scenario, and it exposes the ridiculousness of depending on Washington to 'share the wealth' with the poorest Americans.

That's just a fact of life.

Washington can only prove that government is the worst entity to entrust with charity. If you want to prove socialism can work, keep it local. And if you want to keep the socialism local, then that is no reason for us to support that old clown Sanders. That is a reason--a good reason--for you to support Rand Paul. You see, he believes in the Tenth Amendment. He will let you have all the county and state level socialism you can get your neighbors to agree to. He just won't let the incredibly corrupt town of Washington have anything to do with it.

If you won't listen to a lifelong independent voter just because I registered Republican in 2008 so I could vote for Ron Paul in a closed primary, then listen to a Democrat who was a lot smarter than either you or me. And really listen. Truly decide if he made sense:

Our country is too large to have all its affairs directed by a single government. Public servants at such a distance, & from under the eye of their constituents, will, from the circumstance of distance, be unable to administer & overlook all the details necessary for the good government of the citizen; and the same circumstance by rendering detection impossible to their constituents, will invite the public agents to corruption, plunder & waste: And I do verily believe that if the principle were to prevail of a common law being in force in the U.S. (which principle possesses the general government at once of all the powers of the state governments, and reduces us to a single consolidated government) it would become the most corrupt government on the face of the earth.--Thomas Jefferson

You can vote socialists into your county commissioner panel all you want. But if you don't vote to send Rand Paul to Washington, D.C, then you're worthless as a fighter of corruption, and as a champion for getting the oligarchy out of government and turning it over to We, the People.
 
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Number one: If Sanders wasn't perfectly willing to let the big corporations have their way, you'd have heard about as much about him in the media as you've heard about Martin O'Malley or Jim Webb. Which is to say, nothing. You're misplacing your faith.

Number two: If you were actually thinking about how to strip power from the Oligarchy, the last thing you'd be calling for is federal control of everything. Suppose Washington controls your police department and your board of education (and it has nearly gotten that bad already). If the Democrats replace education with propaganda and the Republicans fill your police department with bloodthirsty ex-Marines that want to shoot everyone who frowns at them, how do you fix it? Even if everyone in the nation isn't so wrapped up arguing over gay marriage and abortion to worry about your police and your local schools, how do you fix it?

I'll tell you how to fix it, if you really want to know. You take responsibility for your local board of education and your local law enforcement out of the hands of Washington, and you and your neighbors handle it yourselves. That's how you fight tyranny, not by desperately trying to find the right micromismanagers to send to Washington. Yeah, supposedly the advantage to sending all our money to Washington is Washington steals from the rich states and gives to the poor states. That's the only logical argument against local control. But I live in a poor state, and I can assure you that most of the federal money we pay does not come back to us. We pay our federal taxes, but Amtrak made us pay extra out of our state budget for the only Amtrak service we have. I guess all the federal taxes we pay Amtrak goes to keeping the rich of Connecticut from driving into New York City by keeping commuter fares below the cost of parking. Washington steals from the poor and gives to the rich because they're much more interested in getting kickbacks than in loving us and making us happy.

That's just a fact of life.

Washington can only prove that government is the worst entity to entrust with charity. If you want to prove socialism can work, keep it local. And if you want to keep the socialism local, then that is no reason for us to support that old clown Sanders. That is a reason--a good reason--for you to support Rand Paul. You see, he believes in the Tenth Amendment. He will let you have all the county and state level socialism you can get your neighbors to agree to. He just won't let the incredibly corrupt town of Washington have anything to do with it.

If you won't listen to a lifelong independent voter just because I registered Republican in 2008 so I could vote for Ron Paul in a closed primary, then listen to a Democrat who was a lot smarter than either you or me. And really listen. Truly decide if he made sense:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.
 
i appreciate your reply. You're very mistaken, but at least you're not making a post and then running away to hide. Your link says nothing about 97% of scientists agreeing the earth is warming due to man. But more importantly, do 97% say that's a problem???
do 97% say we can make the earth cool if we stop CO2 from entering the atmosphere? Not sure if you took 3rd grade science but you're exhaling CO2 right now. I hope Sanders has a plan to limit your CO2 exhaling.

Your link says CO2 has increased by 40% since 1750. Which scientist in the mid 1700s was able to study greenhouse gasses?! And CO2 makes up way under 1% of the atmosphere. I think it could be .0004% but I don't remember offhand. So is a 40% increase good or bad? What is the exact percentage of CO2 we need in the atmosphere? what is out target percentage? You can't say more or less.....scientists need numbers to be specific - so what do they say we "need"? And of course, how can we achieve this? By we, of course, I only mean Americans. Americans limiting coal burning is going to save the planet, that's why you want these policies, right?
im looking forward to your specific answers.

The link that stated 97% was already given above, but here it is:
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Yes, it is true that animals, including ourselves, exhale CO2. However, the CO2 that animals exhale was already in the atmosphere to begin with because the carbon cycle is just that, a cycle. The CO2 that we exhale gets absorbed into plants and the plants use that carbon to grow their tissues. We eat the plants and take in that carbon. We breath out CO2 and the plants take it back in. The reason fossil fuels are increasing the temperature of the planet is because fossil fuels contain CO2 that has been stored for millions of years and reintroduces it back into the environment when it should have stayed in the ground.

No, scientists in the 1700s were not keeping track of CO2, but scientists have ways of looking back thousands of years by drilling ice cores from the arctic. The air that is trapped in that ice contains a record of what the atmosphere was like at a specific time:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC33751/

Yes, CO2 makes up less than one percent of the atmosphere - .94%. However, the other elements that make up the 99% of the atmosphere (oxygen, nitrogen) do not have heat trapping capabilities. This means that the other 1% of the atmosphere is solely responsible for the greenhouse effect on Earth. By looking at it this way it's easy to see why a seemingly measly 40% increase would drastically influence world climate. If you want more information this link explains the process pretty well:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/if-carbon-dioxide-makes-u/

The current amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is 382 parts per million (ppm). If the climate gets to around 400-450 ppm (the current rate is 2 more ppm per year) than the world climate would increase by 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. This level of increase would cause major problems like increased precipitation and drought, increased extreme weather, the great reduction in ocean animals, and instability in regions because of lack of crops and water. These problems could cost billions of dollars over time. Keep in mind that the 3.6 degrees is the world average, some places could have it worse than others. In short, we should keep CO2 ppm below 400 ppm.

There is not just one way to achieve this, but scientists have a few ideas which I'm sure you are familiar with. A carbon tax, cutting subsidies to fossil fuel companies, subsidizing renewable energies like wind and solar, and raising efficiency standards are some of the ideas. Now a carbon tax might sound bad, but as libertarian Jerry Taylor argues:
"Libertarians believe in protecting persons and property from invasion by other parties. The only role of government in the libertarian world is to protect the persons and property of individuals. It doesn’t matter whether the threat comes from a burglar, a rampaging gang, or a smokestack"
Emitting CO2 does pollute and should be regarded as hurting others and their property. These webpages, one an article, the other an interview with Jerry Taylor, are well worth reading if you're interested in the libertarian aspect of climate action:
https://www.edf.org/blog/2013/11/14/libertarian-argument-climate-action
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/12/858827...nced-this-libertarian-to-support-a-carbon-tax

Finally, the amount of emissions reduced by America only will not "save the planet" but they will inspire other countries to take greater action. In addition, America can work with other countries to try and make deals to limit pollution on a global level. Besides, are we just supposed to wait for someone else to make a move?

I hope I answered your questions with enough detail.
 
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That 97% of climate scientists believe that our climate is warming due to human activity is what I am saying.

This is bunk - the guy who wrote the paper - http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article - Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature - admits :

We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.

66.4% scientists studying the subject of climate change expressed no opinion on the subject. More details in the study.
 
This is bunk - the guy who wrote the paper - http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article - Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature - admits :



66.4% scientists studying the subject of climate change expressed no opinion on the subject. More details in the study.

The reason the number that don't express an opinion is so large is because the paper probably was not dealing with who or what exactly was causing climate change. Those papers were most likely just studying a climate change related phenomenon like global temperatures. In that case, a researcher wouldn't need to blame a specific entity for climate change in their paper. In any case, the fact that the scientists who do express an opinion are so largely in favor of anthropogenic global warming should be enough to at least make you think twice.
 
Sanders is getting a lot of traction with the brain-dead youngsters who see nothing but big bold letters "FREE".

They bought into his 90% tax rhetoric.... basically, same ol' song n' dance that Obama recited during his run... evil corporations, free shit......

It is amazing to me how these younger people are sooo friggin clueless economically, constitutionally and just looking for a new mother & father, in government. Very discouraging, actually.
 
Why Ron Paul Supporters Should Vote For Bernie Sanders

...because they've developed brain tumors?

A libertarian (whose brain is whole and unconsumed by cancerous lesions) cannot vote for a bolshevik, by definition.
 
The reason the number that don't express an opinion is so large is because the paper probably was not dealing with who or what exactly was causing climate change. Those papers were most likely just studying a climate change related phenomenon like global temperatures. In that case, a researcher wouldn't need to blame a specific entity for climate change in their paper. In any case, the fact that the scientists who do express an opinion are so largely in favor of anthropogenic global warming should be enough to at least make you think twice.

wait... you quoted that FAKE 97% global warming hoax??? Just wow. Serious?

In other words, you just parroted some fake statistic to validate some cultish ideology you follow.... and now that you KNOW it is fake, you still cling tightly to your belief.... cognitive dissonance much? You are embarrassing yourself. Funny thing about communists/socialists/marxists..... they literally, literally LOVE government so much that it is a religion to them. To rule others. This is why it is so scary when these types get in charge...... as we all know what horrors can be inflicted with religion. The religion of statism knows no equal.
 
Sanders is getting a lot of traction with the brain-dead youngsters who see nothing but big bold letters "FREE".

They bought into his 90% tax rhetoric.... basically, same ol' song n' dance that Obama recited during his run... evil corporations, free shit......

It is amazing to me how these younger people are sooo friggin clueless economically, constitutionally and just looking for a new mother & father, in government. Very discouraging, actually.

Not surprising when progressives control the government schools.
 
Bernie Sanders now in favor of letting all of Mexico into the US

So much for his short lived concern about low income workers and wage depression:

 
Want college students to like you? give out free pizza. Want them to worship the ground you walk on? then thrown in free tuition. Sanders knows exactly how to buy them. Smart man.

If I wasn't so pricey, I would fall for him too :(
 
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