Why Rand Paul supporters should take heart tonight

[dbill27]

Yes, but I think Sanders would be least likely to bring about WWIII. That's majorly important, above and beyond all else. Because if we get WWIII, that's REALLY the end of it all.

I see sanders as being a four year president, seating half of the supreme court, implementing all sorts of anti-business regulations and executive orders before kicking the bucket or losing re-election and then the next guy starts ww3.

 

[jmdrake]

This^^ OP seems to be wishful thinking to me. War-mongering WRT Iran and Syria has been popular in teh GOP in recent years, and the anti-war faction of the Partei isn't allowed a significant voice in MSM.

Ummmm....you're wrong. Neither Trump nor Cruz are "war-mongering" when it comes to Syria. Iran? Yes on Cruz. Not sure about Trump. But both have taken a totally non-interventionist "Assad should be allowed to stay" position on Syria. And considering that Syria is the war right now, that's important. Iran isn't going to do anything to give the next president, no matter who he or she (oh please Lord not Hillary) is, an excuse to attack or invade. And Iran does sectarian divide that Syria had which allowed for civil war. So if the Syrian war slows down, that's it for war for the immediate future. Meanwhile Rubio, Kasich, Christie, Clinton and other idiots are calling for no fly zones over Syria and confrontation with the Russians. That's world war III. The distinction between Trump and Cruz and Sanders war mongers in both parties should not be overlooked.

 

[presence]

Seriously.

These guys are all pieces of shit that will say whatever gets them votes.

Yes but I think the op's point is that they're at least lying to look libertarian these days like its cool.

 

[gee_blee]

OP makes good point. Other observations:

1) Cruz is no Rand, but he's more libertarian than most any candidate we've seen in a generation (other than Ron and Rand). I realize the bar is low. If Cruz wins the nomination, I believe Rand could be on his short list for VP.

2) This could've been a VERY interesting race if Trump didn't run. I believe Rand would've easily been top 3. Tough break.

3) If Trump implodes at any point, where do his votes go - Cruz or Rubio?

 

[randbot16]

Seriously.

These guys are all pieces of shit that will say whatever gets them votes.

ONE man. I repeat ONE fucking man actually is consistent in his message of peace, liberty, and responsible spending.

The rest of them can fuck right off.

Amen.

 

[randbot16]

OP makes good point. Other observations:

1) Cruz is no Rand, but he's more libertarian than most any candidate we've seen in a generation (other than Ron and Rand). I realize the bar is low. If Cruz wins the nomination, I believe Rand could be on his short list for VP.

2) This could've been a VERY interesting race if Trump didn't run. I believe Rand would've easily been top 3. Tough break.

3) If Trump implodes at any point, where do his votes go - Cruz or Rubio?

Cruz is Goldman Sachs' bitch, and you're delusional, as is anyone else who thinks he is anti-intervention or anti-establishment.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Cruz will not be the nominee. Let's put this into perspective: Trump has the highest unfavorability rating as well as a plurality of the support. A Cruz "win" was nothing more than a repudiation of Trump and his idiot cult members. Cruz only earned his win insofar as he positioned himself as the strongest anti-Trump. Most of his support will fade if Trump does, and the idiot voters will disperse back to some of the other nuts on the stage. A brokered convention is still very much a possibility. Where Rand stands in all this is unclear; not hopeless, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Makes Interesting Points]

Prior to the December 15th CNN debate, Cruz, in terms of positions, looked like the go-to "backup" for Paul. Cruz's foreign policy had the caution with toppling of a libertarian, but with the aggression of a conservative. But the theme of that debate was foreign policy and security, and Cruz realized that he would have to exaggerate some to get votes from the establishment base. That was when he started the whole "Carpet bomb them!" big talk. At first, I thought he was just doing what Trump does by talking big and pretending to be big on military spending. But Cruz never let up on it afterwards, and his actual foreign policy stance seems to be getting more aggressive, especially when he talks about rebuilding the military. It's still very possible that Cruz hasn't really changed his foreign policy from his balanced one, and that he is just big talking his way into getting the mainstream Republican vote. But even if this is the case, then it means he's saying whatever he needs to to get elected, which us Paul supporters don't appreciate. We want full honesty and logic.

 

[gee_blee]

Cruz is Goldman Sachs' bitch

Evidence?

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Seriously.

These guys are all pieces of shit that will say whatever gets them votes.

ONE man. I repeat ONE fucking man actually is consistent in his message of peace, liberty, and responsible spending.

The rest of them can fuck right off.

QFT

 

[jkob]

sure, but Marco Rubio is charging up the rear

test-tube neocon

 

[jkob]

Cruz is too much of a weasel to win the general I think, he just straight is unlikable and say what you want but Trump is a charming entertaining guy. Cruz/Hillary would be the most miserable election in history. I don't think Ted would take Rand as his VP, he's much more strategic thinking so it would be someone he thinks would help him on election day. Maybe Rand could of been a serious contender for VP if he had the base his dad did.

So the question is, who could actually help Cruz? I think it is possible he chooses one of the Hispanic governors like Susana Martinez or Brian Sandoval. I would say Ben Carson but it has been a rough couple months for him so I don't know. Cruz will compromise to get the establishment support I think, maybe someone like Scott Walker? Dunno.

 

[gee_blee]

Cruz is too much of a weasel to win the general I think, he just straight is unlikable and say what you want but Trump is a charming entertaining guy. Cruz/Hillary would be the most miserable election in history. I don't think Ted would take Rand as his VP, he's much more strategic thinking so it would be someone he thinks would help him on election day. Maybe Rand could of been a serious contender for VP if he had the base his dad did.

So the question is, who could actually help Cruz? I think it is possible he chooses one of the Hispanic governors like Susana Martinez or Brian Sandoval. I would say Ben Carson but it has been a rough couple months for him so I don't know. Cruz will compromise to get the establishment support I think, maybe someone like Scott Walker? Dunno.

I believe Rand could be on Cruz's short list (though I still think Trump or Rubio is more likely to win the nomination) because Rand appeals to independents and many liberals, and because the Pauls helped get Cruz elected and Cruz might be loyal to a degree.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Cruz is very loyal.
Just not to anyone NOT Goldman Sachs.

 

[CPUd]

I believe Rand could be on Cruz's short list (though I still think Trump or Rubio is more likely to win the nomination) because Rand appeals to independents and many liberals, and because the Pauls helped get Cruz elected and Cruz might be loyal to a degree.

You need to take this shit over to breitbart, this is the Rand forum, you won't get anywhere trying to promote Cruz in here.

 

[gee_blee]

You need to take this shit over to breitbart, this is the Rand forum, you won't get anywhere trying to promote Cruz in here.

I'm not promoting Cruz. Jack Hunter's (rare.us) column today nailed what I think of the sermonizing Cruz.

Instead, I'm promoting Rand, while being realistic. In all likelihood, the Republican nominee will be Trump, Cruz or Rubio. And I'm stating that Rand could possibly be under consideration for VP by Cruz largely because Rand appeals to independents and many liberals. Rand is genuine, and Cruz would need all the help he could get in that area in a general election.

Regardless, I hope Rand stays in for as long as possible, and I'll vote for Rand in my primary no matter what, and I'll vote Libertarian in the general.

 

[Chieppa1]

I'm not promoting Cruz. Jack Hunter's (rare.us) column today nailed what I think of the sermonizing Cruz.

Instead, I'm promoting Rand, while being realistic. In all likelihood, the Republican nominee will be Trump, Cruz or Rubio. And I'm stating that Rand could possibly be under consideration for VP by Cruz largely because Rand appeals to independents and many liberals. Rand is genuine, and Cruz would need all the help he could get in that area in a general election.

Regardless, I hope Rand stays in for as long as possible, and I'll vote for Rand in my primary no matter what, and I'll vote Libertarian in the general.

Trump/Paul 2016: Fuck you FOX News.