Why Rand Paul supporters should take heart tonight

[radiofriendly]

The nonintervention faction of the Republican party (those opposed to unconstitutional and/or stupid wars) should take heart that the top two candidates tonight are both on record as clearly opposing the Iraq War, albeit after the invasion. Trump and Cruz also share a strong skepticism of the establishment’s arming of so-called “moderate rebels” in Syria.

While I support Rand Paul, it’s encouraging to remember Ted Cruz has also been rightly accusing Rubio of having the same foreign policy as Hillary Clinton. Of course, not as awesomely as Rand has...

Somehow, I think a certain older Dr. Paul’s ideas might still be gaining momentum?

It’s going to be a long, long primary season and it may all come down to the convention. Hold on…

We should take heart tonight and focus on the very real threat of Rubio...

Linkage: http://iroots.org/2016/02/01/iowa-results-trump-for-real-establishment-in-trouble/

 

[Theocrat]

Carpet Bombing For Liberty!

The nonintervention faction of the Republican party (those opposed to unconstitutional and/or stupid wars) should take heart that the top two candidates tonight are both on record as clearly opposing the Iraq War, albeit after the invasion. Trump and Cruz also share a strong skepticism of the establishment’s arming of so-called “moderate rebels” in Syria.

While I support Rand Paul, it’s encouraging to remember Ted Cruz has also been rightly accusing Rubio of having the same foreign policy as Hillary Clinton. Of course, not as awesomely as Rand has...

Somehow, I think a certain older Dr. Paul’s ideas might still be gaining momentum?

It’s going to be a long, long primary season and it may all come down to the convention. Hold on…

We should take heart tonight and focus on the very real threat of Rubio...

Linkage: http://iroots.org/2016/02/01/iowa-results-trump-for-real-establishment-in-trouble/

Right, because wanting to see "the sand glow" in the Middle East is definitely a noninterventionist position.

 

[adam220891]

Right, because wanting to see "the sand glow" in the Middle East is definitely a noninterventionist position.

Seriously.

These guys are all pieces of shit that will say whatever gets them votes.

ONE man. I repeat ONE fucking man actually is consistent in his message of peace, liberty, and responsible spending.

The rest of them can fuck right off.

 

[spikel]

Right, because wanting to see "the sand glow" in the Middle East is definitely a noninterventionist position.

Seriously, Ted Cruz non interventionalist... uhh no way! The guy hijacks Paul's ideas word for word until it comes to war, then he's a total neocon fear mongerer!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Right, because wanting to see "the sand glow" in the Middle East is definitely a noninterventionist position.

This^^ OP seems to be wishful thinking to me. War-mongering WRT Iran and Syria has been popular in teh GOP in recent years, and the anti-war faction of the Partei isn't allowed a significant voice in MSM.

 

[Crashland]

I honestly don't know what Cruz's foreign policy would really be like. I don't believe him when he says he's the liberty candidate but I also don't believe him when he talks about carpet bombing the middle east. Basically I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

 

[Chieppa1]

Damn it. When will it end with the Cruz crap? The man literally is running to make Israel Great Again.

 

[hells_unicorn]

As much as I despise Donald Trump, there is one grain of truth to the OP in his case, namely that Trump's bloodthirsty rhetoric on the Mid-East question is more reactionary than it is interventionist. My major hang up with Trump on the foreign policy front is his irrational hostility towards the Far East, and particularly China. Likewise, the guy's economic views are obnoxiously authoritarian and so diametrically opposed to the market principles that actually creates wealth as he comes off less as a mere protectionist and more like a dyed-in-the-wool, old school mercantile ideologue, to the point of becoming a parody version of what Adam Smith was deriding in "Wealth Of Nations".

 

[heavenlyboy34]

As much as I despise Donald Trump, there is one grain of truth to the OP in his case, namely that Trump's bloodthirsty rhetoric on the Mid-East question is more reactionary than it is interventionist. My major hang up with Trump on the foreign policy front is his irrational hostility towards the Far East, and particularly China. Likewise, the guy's economic views are obnoxiously authoritarian and so diametrically opposed to the market principles that actually creates wealth as he comes off less as a mere protectionist and more like a dyed-in-the-wool, old school mercantile ideologue, to the point of becoming a parody version of what Adam Smith was deriding in "Wealth Of Nations".

Therefore, VERMIN SUPREME 2016!!!

 

[01000110]

Therefore, VERMIN SUPREME 2016!!!

I'll be laughed at for asking probably, but what the heck is VERMIN SUPREME?

 

[Chieppa1]

As much as I despise Donald Trump, there is one grain of truth to the OP in his case, namely that Trump's bloodthirsty rhetoric on the Mid-East question is more reactionary than it is interventionist. My major hang up with Trump on the foreign policy front is his irrational hostility towards the Far East, and particularly China. Likewise, the guy's economic views are obnoxiously authoritarian and so diametrically opposed to the market principles that actually creates wealth as he comes off less as a mere protectionist and more like a dyed-in-the-wool, old school mercantile ideologue, to the point of becoming a parody version of what Adam Smith was deriding in "Wealth Of Nations".

I can get with this point. Trump isn't trying to launch a new front in the war to control the world. Like Rubio and Cruz. Yes, Cruz. Cruz supports Israel more than he supports America. And Israel wants destabilization and expansion in the ME.

 

[adam220891]

I'll be laughed at for asking probably, but what the heck is VERMIN SUPREME?

He promises ponies for everyone and wears a boot on his head. TBH, a worthy second choice.

 

[radiofriendly]

Damn it. When will it end with the Cruz crap? The man literally is running to make Israel Great Again.

Even feigned support of nonintervention is a sign that the ideas are popular and making the establishment really squirm. See the videos in my link. Glowing sand aside, Cruz really is accusing Rubio of being for too much intervention and regime change. Does he mean it? i don't know, but I can be encouraged that we are on a side that is strategically winning...

 

[Suzu]

I will take heart in the fact that if either Trump or Cruz takes the nomination, the GOP will lose the election. Now, if the Dems can make Sanders their nominee and he becomes president, we'll have a state of gridlock between congress and the WH. I think that's the best thing short of a Rand Paul presidency.

 

[dbill27]

The OP is correct although I understand the skeptical posters as well. I saw Donald Trump giving a speech in Iowa today asking why we are paying for the defense of rich countries like Germany, South Korea etc. Pretty much the same thing Ron was saying on this day 4 years ago. Although the politicians echoing ideas we support may not mean they themselves really support or care about such ideas it means our ideas are now politically acceptable and gaining traction.

 

[Theocrat]

Why Does Cruz Want the Sand to Glow?

Even feigned support of nonintervention is a sign that the ideas are popular and making the establishment really squirm. See the videos in my link. Glowing sand aside, Cruz really is accusing Rubio of being for too much intervention and regime change. Does he mean it? i don't know, but I can be encouraged that we are on a side that is strategically winning...

No, we don't cast aside Cruz's wanting to see "sand glow" in the Middle East. He needs to be held accountable for that position, especially since it entails murdering innocent civilians, which is not a pro-life position (as Cruz claims to be).

 

[dbill27]

I will take heart in the fact that if either Trump or Cruz takes the nomination, the GOP will lose the election. Now, if the Dems can make Sanders their nominee and he becomes president, we'll have a state of gridlock between congress and the WH. I think that's the best thing short of a Rand Paul presidency.

I think both Trump and Cruz are more electable than you think but either way a clinton/sanders presidency will not just be a gridlock with nothing bad or good happening. The next 25 years of supreme court decisions will be influenced by the next president and I'd much rather have a republican choosing them. John Roberts screwed us but by and large the justices chosen by republicans have been ten fold better than the likes of sonya sotomayor who will literally do whatever her party tell her to do. Also with the regulatory power by agencies like the EPA being essentially unelected law makers, A bernie sanders EPA would be a disaster.

 

[Cabal]

Lolwut. The winner has been talking about saturation and carpet bombing indiscriminately. But non-interventionists should be happy? LOLOLOLOL...

 

[Suzu]

I think both Trump and Cruz are more electable than you think but either way a clinton/sanders presidency will not just be a gridlock with nothing bad or good happening. The next 25 years of supreme court decisions will be influenced by the next president and I'd much rather have a republican choosing them. John Roberts screwed us but by and large the justices chosen by republicans have been ten fold better than the likes of sonya sotomayor who will literally do whatever her party tell her to do. Also with the regulatory power by agencies like the EPA being essentially unelected law makers, A bernie sanders EPA would be a disaster.

Yes, but I think Sanders would be least likely to bring about WWIII. That's majorly important, above and beyond all else. Because if we get WWIII, that's REALLY the end of it all.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I'll be laughed at for asking probably, but what the heck is VERMIN SUPREME?

Only one of the greatest POTUS candidates EVARRRR!!!