Why lack of Participation from C4L Members??

[Matt Collins]

CFL in FL is screwed up because of a poor decision by their Iterim State Coordinator (and refusal by him to do anything about it), and internal meddling by the CFL-HQ, specifically booting one of the biggest leaders in the FL CFL without any basis whatsoever.

 

[LibertyEagle]

CFL in FL is screwed up because of a poor decision by their Iterim State Coordinator (and refusal by him to do anything about it), and internal meddling by the CFL-HQ, specifically booting one of the biggest leaders in the FL CFL without any basis whatsoever.

Bullshit, Matt. Even Heath Whiteaker ended up supporting the move. I can't believe you're starting up this crap again.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Source please.

The assertion made by mozark doesn't surprise me. I have stuff coming to 3 of my email addresses from C4L but the daily updates only come to my registered account.

 

[mozarkriver]

I'd be interested in learning more about what you refer to as "internal meddling." What sort of things have happenend? To me, this is precisely why state organizations need true autonomy. Appointed state coordinators will make decisions differently and favor the decisions national wants if they know they can be removed at any time. Everything else flows from that relationship.

 

[torchbearer]

I'd be interested in learning more about what you refer to as "internal meddling." What sort of things have happenend? To me, this is precisely why state organizations need true autonomy. Appointed state coordinators will make decisions differently and favor the decisions national wants if they know they can be removed at any time. Everything else flows from that relationship.

I can speak for Louisiana- they have let us do as we want as long as we don't do anything that won't compromise their "government tax status".
We run mostly independent. Same as we did during the campaign.
We are a confederacy as far as we are concerned.

 

[torchbearer]

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[Matt Collins]

Bullshit, Matt. Even Heath Whiteaker ended up supporting the move. I can't believe you're starting up this crap again.

I like Heath, he's a friend, but he has a lot more to lost than does Nick.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I like Heath, he's a friend, but he has a lot more to lost than does Nick.

What are you implying here, Matt?

 

[Matt Collins]

I'd be interested in learning more about what you refer to as "internal meddling." What sort of things have happenend? To me, this is precisely why state organizations need true autonomy. Appointed state coordinators will make decisions differently and favor the decisions national wants if they know they can be removed at any time. Everything else flows from that relationship.

Here are some threads for you to review:

It started here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175109&highlight=egoroff


And here is the follow up -
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175865
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=176051
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175912
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=176139
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175942
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=176348

 

[Matt Collins]

What are you implying here, Matt?

That Heath doesn't want to anger the CFL-HQ because he's running for County Commissioner.

I'm not passing judgment, and it was probably the politically smart thing for Heath to do. But Heath potentially has a lot more to lose by making the CFL-HQ mad at him. I'm not saying Heath's course of action was wrong or a bad etc, however I am just making an outside observation which could explain potential reasons for this. I am friends with Heath and I support him in his race and hope he wins (if I was still in FL I'd be working for him). I also support Nick and his efforts too, he's another friend.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That Heath doesn't want to anger the CFL-HQ because he's running for County Commissioner.

I'm not passing judgment, and it was probably the politically smart thing for Heath to do. But Heath potentially has a lot more to lose by making the CFL-HQ mad at him. I'm not saying Heath's course of action was wrong or a bad etc, however I am just making an outside observation which could explain potential reasons for this. I am friends with Heath and I support him in his race and hope he wins (if I was still in FL I'd be working for him). I also support Nick and his efforts too, he's another friend.

Or, of course, it could have been that he agreed with what C4L did, as he said.

 

[Imperial]

I dunno how much I can do in the GOP yet, but I do want to sign up. The requirements and expectations are just a bit much for me. I mean, I want to do stuff but I can't do everything they want...

 

[Matt Collins]

Or, of course, it could have been that he agreed with what C4L did, as he said.

Of course. I never said he didn't. I don't know what's in Heath's mind, nor do I really care, his opinions are his own and they don't concern me ha ha. But I DO know that it would not be strategically advantageous for him to make the CFL-HQ mad at him.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Of course. I never said he didn't. I don't know what's in Heath's mind, nor do I really care, his opinions are his own and they don't concern me ha ha. But I DO know that it would not be strategically advantageous for him to make the CFL-HQ mad at him.

Are you done with your innuendos, Matt?

Does Rand know you pull this type of crap?

 

[Matt Collins]

Are you done with your innuendos, Matt?

There is no innuendo. What I have stated is a FACT. Can you not distinguish the difference?

 

[disorderlyvision]

 

[CasualApathy]

I'm thinking about it, but not too many active members in denmark

 

[newbitech]

I live in FL, I was a precinct leader in FL during the campaign. I did door to door and called people on the list etc..

To be honest tho, this economy is killing me. Besides that, I am at odds with people who agree that kicking out an activist who has gotten results is in the best interest of the greater movement.

Also, when I moved from St. Pete to Tampa, the leadership of the C4L did a very bad job of getting me information that I didn't have time to get on my own. I would have gotten it on my own, but I was told it would be taken care of. I won a seat on the GOP committee, but the only person who has ever called me to organize was a GOP member who thought I was a democrat trying to infiltrate the party. The wanted to confirm my details etc, and then started asking about my background and criminal history.

So I decided to just lay low and back off the higher profile stuff. So yeah I have some paranoia going on, don't want people looking for dirt on me. I have just gotten off of probation. I was being an activist when I was charged and arrested. No one from the C4L, or Ron Paul campaign came to my trial. Now that I am back to having my rights again, I may look to get more involved but I am done with the GOP, and I am pretty sure the C4L still thinks they can take that mess over.

So yay thats my story, I can elaborate more if anyone cares..

 

[muzzled dogg]

It means nothing if you do nothing.
Sorta like what people do here. Nothing.

Things will only happen when you do SOMETHING, and when you decide to be a precinct leader, that comes with a list of SOMETHINGS that need to be done.

you don't have to pay $35 for a c4L title to do something

 

[LibertyEagle]

you don't have to pay $35 for a c4L title to do something

Very true. But, you know, I can't believe this complaint about the 35 bucks shows up so many times. They only put that in place to try to get rid of some of the spammers and trolls.