Why Is “Cash for Clunkers” Called a Success?

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Why Is “Cash for Clunkers” Called a Success?

Why Is “Cash for Clunkers” Called a Success?


Gary Benoit | The New American
17 August 2009


The “cash for clunkers” program is supposedly wildly successful. According to proponents, consumers are spending money once again on expensive, big-ticket items; gas-guzzlers are being removed from the road; and new-car sales are soaring, benefiting not just the automobile manufacturers, but the economy as a whole.

As just about everybody in America now knows, consumers can receive federal rebates of up to $4,500 by trading in their old, fuel-inefficient cars for new, more fuel-efficient ones. So many consumers jumped at the opportunity to take advantage of this government enticement that the $1 billion Congress initially authorized for the program was almost totally exhausted by the first week’s worth of rebates, causing politicians who equated “consumer participation” with “success” to scramble to provide another $2 billion for the program. That latest installment of funds should keep the program on the road through Labor Day, the Obama administration, a strong advocate of the program, says.

But is the extent of consumer participation and the money they spend the best way to measure the success of the “cash for clunkers” program? Consumers participate, of course, because they are able to get more money for their old cars than the old cars are worth — in many cases thousands of dollars more. So that means that the government enticements benefit the economy, right? Well, if that were the case, then why not sweeten the government-subsidized deals? Wouldn’t that benefit the economy even more?

Obviously, even more consumers would participate in the “cash for clunkers” program if the rebates were bigger, or if the definition of “clunkers” were extended to cover a larger number of used cars. Just think of how many more cars Detroit could produce and sell if the federal rebates were increased to (say) $10,000 and then applied to any deal where the difference in gas mileage between the sale of a “clunker” and the purchase of a new car were just one mile per gallon or more! Wouldn’t such a turbo-charged “cash for clunkers” program generate even more car sales than the current model?

And if a turbo-charged “cash for clunkers” program is not sufficient to jump-start the economy, then why not dispense with the “clunkers” part of the program altogether and simply give each consumer a big, fat voucher that can be redeemed when purchasing a new car (a very fuel-efficient new car, of course)? In fact, why not design the “cash for new cars” program so that the government will pay for the full amount of each new car purchase?

Detroit would sell a lot more cars then. In fact, Detroit would not be able to keep up, no matter how hard it strived to ramp up production. But would the resulting surge in car sales to eager consumers willing to take possession of the government-paid cars at no cost to themselves really get the economy going again?

Silly, isn’t it? Yet the only thing that makes the current “cash for clunkers” program less silly in terms of its supposed benefit to the economy is the fact that government is subsidizing only a part of the cost of the deals instead of the entire amount.

The government has no wealth of its own, and the money it spends to finance the “cash for clunkers” program must be siphoned out of the economy — the very economy that the program is supposed to help. If the money for the program is borrowed and created out of thin air through the Federal Reserve, then the newly created dollars interjected into the economy will erode the value of already existing dollars, causing prices to rise for goods and services, including cars.

In short, the program is a wealth-redistribution scheme benefiting the auto industry (albeit only as long as the program is kept alive by Washington) and some consumers at the expense of the economy as a whole. There is no overall economic gain.

Well, actually, it is even worse than that, since the government is having all of the “clunkers” it is paying for destroyed, which means that the cost to the government (and ultimately the American people) is not merely the benefit the consumer derives (the difference between the market value of the cars and the value of the rebates) but the entire cost of the rebates. Supposedly this destruction of many still-useful vehicles will help the economy since those vehicles get lower gas mileage than the government deems advisable.

This “logic” ignores the fact that destroying goods that still possess market value can only hurt the economy. (If the opposite were the case, then the government could also help the economy by buying and destroying older homes and factories and replacing them with new, more-efficient ones.) The “logic” also ignores the effect that the reduction in the number of used cars will have on the price of used cars (the price will go up). And it assumes that consumers do not factor in the price of gasoline when buying cars.

If this government program is a huge success, one would hate to contemplate what would constitute failure.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index...671-why-is-cash-for-clunkers-called-a-success
 
According to the MSM, everything the government does that doesn't end in tar and feathers is a 'success'.

And everything it does that does end in tar and feathers was 'sabotaged by terrists'.
 
Why not eliminate the "...for clunkers" part? We can make a government program called "Cash". All you do is go to the post office and they give youa nice crisp $20 bill. That would be the most "successful" government program ever!! People would be lined up around the block at every post office in America! Then the media reporters could all tell us that the government's doing a great job!
 
Why not eliminate the "...for clunkers" part? We can make a government program called "Cash". All you do is go to the post office and they give youa nice crisp $20 bill. That would be the most "successful" government program ever!! People would be lined up around the block at every post office in America! Then the media reporters could all tell us that the government's doing a great job!

Perhaps you missed this new program? :D

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2246199&postcount=7
 
Because it it

They are calling it a success because it IS a success. It has done exactly what it was intended to do: lure the public back into the borrow and spend slavery to the banks. The banks profit, certain favored corporations profit, and the people and the government get further in debt. It is a classic American success story.
 
Finding a decent used car will be just GREAT after this program is finally over with. ;) Teenagers and college students are HUGE losers in this one. Cash for CLunkers works basically the same as minimum wage laws. It creates more higher priced items (higher waged jobs) while greatly constricting low end cars (lower wage jobs). And we all know how effective the minimum wage is for this same group.
 
Hubby's truck broke down. Try buying a decent, used mid size truck right now at a decent price. We have been shopping for one for weeks now and they sell so fast or they have big signs on them that say 'do not sell, cash for clunkers truck'. :mad:

They are taking a lot of decent vehicles out of the marketplace, making it harder for people who would normally buy those vehicles. I imagine this will have an effect on people searching for 'clunkers' for quite awhile.

And hell no we aren't saddling ourselves with a new vehicle payment right now. :mad:
 
Hubby's truck broke down. Try buying a decent, used mid size truck right now at a decent price. We have been shopping for one for weeks now and they sell so fast or they have big signs on them that say 'do not sell, cash for clunkers truck'. :mad:

They are taking a lot of decent vehicles out of the marketplace, making it harder for people who would normally buy those vehicles. I imagine this will have an effect on people searching for 'clunkers' for quite awhile.

And hell no we aren't saddling ourselves with a new vehicle payment right now. :mad:


Do they recycle or destroy the cars?
 
would a 'cash for pubes' program also be called a success if a lot of people turned in their pubes for government cash?
 
Do they recycle or destroy the cars?

I don't know what they do after they destroy the engines and make them unusable. They are rendered undriveable. :mad:



EC- cash for pubes? :eek: Wonder what they'd do with the pubes? Wigs for balding Congressmen? :D
 
I don't know what they do after they destroy the engines and make them unusable. They are rendered undriveable. :mad:

Since many are late model with perfect bodies, I would hope they would go to salvage for parts (other than engine).
 
Government: Clunkers program so successful it failed!

What??

US to end cash-for-clunkers scheme

Financial Times
August 20 2009

The US cash-for-clunkers car scrappage scheme has become a victim of its own success, with the government announcing on Thursday that the incentives will come to an end on Monday evening, just a month after they were introduced.

The decision was taken to ensure that payments under the scheme do not exceed the $3bn allocated by Congress.

A senior administration official described the scheme as “an overwhelming and overnight success – so much so that we need to wind this programme down”.
...

Full Story:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d3a5a7ea-8dd6-11de-93df-00144feabdc0.html



Cash For Clunkers Runs Out Of Gas

Forbes
August 20 2009

According to a senior administration official, the overwhelming success of the clunkers program--which provides car buyers a rebate of up to $4,500 when they trade an old gas guzzler for a more fuel-efficient vehicle--is the reason for its abrupt end.

Maybe so, but it's also tangled in a web of red tape that's putting dealers in jeopardy. The Department of Transportation has recorded about 457,000 dealer transactions worth about $1.9 billion in rebates. But the administration official, speaking to reporters, said the department has reviewed just under 40% of the applications for rebates in its system. About 170,000 applications have actually been processed and many of those are incomplete, which means dealers will have to resubmit them.
...

Full Story:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/20/cash-clunkers-autos-business-washington-rebate.html
 
It's a success because it stimulated the car company. But they fail to realize the lost wealth from throwing away perfectly good cars. They forget they are helping cause malinvestment. They fail to see that propping up a failing company doesn't fix why they are failing. Plus some of the people who buy the cars may not be able to afford them later on (like the houses!). There are probably more than 4 reasons... can you name more?
 
Car Dealers Still Waiting For Cash for Clunker Cash


KELOLAND TV
August 31, 2009


Auto makers will release their monthly sales reports Tuesday and they're expected to show the first year-to-year increase since 2007. While the Cash for Clunkers program is getting all the credit, local car dealers are still waiting for their cash.

During the month long program, Billion Automotive sold close to a thousand vehicles but has only been reimbursed for 272 of them. Vern Eide sold over 200 cars and has only been paid for 27 of them, and that's fueling lots of concerns in the auto industry.

Billion Automotive cashed in during Cash for Clunkers, but owner Dave Billion is still waiting for the rest of his money from the government run program, $3.2 million.

"I wonder how long they'd wait if I owed them $3.2 million. I think they'd be at my door or at least my banker's door," Billion said.

Even though Billion is beginning to get some of his reimbursement money, he's still concerned because he says there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the program.
...


Full Story:
http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=89419
 
A vehicle at getting 15 mpg and doing 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline.

A vehicle at getting 25 mpg and doing 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year.

So, getting rid of each average clunker will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per clunker per year.

They claim 700,000 vehicles were taken in during the clunker program - so that's 224 million gallons per year saved.

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

5 million barrels of oil is about 1/4 of one day's US consumption.

And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75 a barrel.

So, we all contributed to the spending of $3 billion dollars...to save $350 million.
 
A vehicle at getting 15 mpg and doing 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline.

A vehicle at getting 25 mpg and doing 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year.

So, getting rid of each average clunker will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per clunker per year.

They claim 700,000 vehicles were taken in during the clunker program - so that's 224 million gallons per year saved.

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

5 million barrels of oil is about 1/4 of one day's US consumption.

And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75 a barrel.

So, we all contributed to the spending of $3 billion dollars...to save $350 million.

But we saved the environment, and that is pricless :rolleyes:
 
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