Why I'm Voting for Romney in the General Election and Not Gary Johnson

First and foremost, who's "we?"

We the people.

But, my point isn't based on personal experience (although I did vote for Bush twice and McCain) rather the point is that all humans are fallible therefore even voting for Ron Paul is choosing the lesser evil. So presuming you accept my presumption that Ron Paul is not perfect then on what basis do you draw a bright line? Is it just based on your personal feelings and what helps you sleep at night?
 
Also, having Rand Paul in the ear of Romney after one of these manufactured crises isn't the worst thing in the world. Not as VP but as a personal adviser in the Senate.
 
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What does "the lesser of two evils" actually mean? I don't agree with Ron on every single issue, and I still support him.
Bush/Gore, Obama/McCain etc. etc. etc. Just a term trying to restate the fact that they are essentially the same. Might sing a different tune, but what happens? The wars never end. The FED is still flying free. Welfare is unimaginable. More of the same. As I have stated I am only 20, but from what I have researched and heard/experienced, I will vouch for the fact it's been the same for decades. It's all a circus. An illusion. Watch this hand..... while the other steals your wallet.
 
We the people.

But, my point isn't based on personal experience (although I did vote for Bush twice and McCain) rather the point is that all humans are fallible therefore even voting for Ron Paul is choosing the lesser evil. So presuming you accept my presumption that Ron Paul is not perfect then on what basis do you draw a bright line? Is it just based on your personal feelings and what helps you sleep at night?
The Constitution is where I draw the line.
 
I am not aware of Ron Paul's view on every Section of the Constitution, nor do I claim to be a Constitutional scholar. A little common sense of what the Founding Fathers intended would do the SCOTUS and Congress well. I can say I agree with Ron Paul on everything. (His explanations are superb) Especially after reading Liberty Defined. He put into words, what I was trying to say.

ETA: I was pretty damn ignorant before stumbling across Ron Paul, Judge Nap and the likes. I understood I wanted/needed personal liberties, didn't know a damn thing about the FED, Bretton Woods, or much for that matter. Ron Paul sparked an interest in politics, whereas before I just read the typical "news." Changed my life quite honestly, though sometimes I wish I were still in the dark. Spouting off random facts and misjustices has really caused me some grief. Trying to educate my family, has them looking down on me. A simple conversation of "How's the weather?" often turns into a discussion of politics. I wish I was a sheep. At least then, my mind wouldn't travel at hundreds of thoughts a minute as to how we are destined to come to a halt. Meh, I'll drink another beer and drown in the sorrows of knowing another Ron Paul is never to come. I am too late. Or should I dare say, generations before were too.....
 
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I am not aware of Ron Paul's view on every Section of the Constitution, nor do I claim to be a Constitutional scholar. A little common sense of what the Founding Fathers intended would do the SCOTUS and Congress well. I can say I agree with Ron Paul on everything. (His explanations are superb) Especially after reading Liberty Defined. He put into words, what I was trying to say.

Yes, Ron is very special and I'm very thankful that he's opened your eyes and many other young people's eyes to the cause of liberty. I will chalk up that you agree with him on everything to the fact that you're still pretty young. Dr. Paul covered a ton of topics in Liberty Defined and if you still agree with EVERYTHING in that book in 5 years, well then, you will not have done enough reading and independent thinking.

I'm sure if you think some more you will be able to come up with a reasonable bright line for when you will and won't vote. I don't think people should choose between Stalin and Hitler. I do believe there should be some base principles one determines to adhere to when voting. Traditional Conservative has seemed to settle on a good principle of not voting for a candidate whom he reasonably believes will engage in an unjust war. However, beyond these very basic principles I do think one can take into consideration practicalities and political realities. As Russel Kirk said, "Politics is the art of the possible."

But, because the conclusion of when and when not to vote (especially this election cycle) is based on personal principles and assessments of probable outcomes I'm wary to judge those who thoughtfully determine a path different from mine even though they have very similar beliefs in general.
 
If you vote for Romney or Obama, why not just start a movement to declare the rest of the Constitution void?
Support for NDAA2011, PATRIOT and TARP violate most of our Constitutional protections. Why stop there?

Marxism or Fascism. Lenin or Stalin. At least be upfront with the BS.

I'll be voting for freedom. I will not explain to my children and grandchildren that I voted to bind them further into the chains of slavery because I was too timid to stand and fight.

RP if he makes the cut or GJ if RP doesn't. If that makes Obama win, so be it. Obama is not the threat to the Constitution since he makes no pretense of following it. Romney is the real threat to the Constitution because he pretends to adhere to it. The lie wrapped in a little truth is more dangerous than the lie by itself because the lie wrapped in the truth can be mistaken for the truth where the lie is seen as such.
 
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I'm sure if you think some more you will be able to come up with a reasonable bright line for when you will and won't vote. I don't think people should choose between Stalin and Hitler. I do believe there should be some base principles one determines to adhere to when voting. Traditional Conservative has seemed to settle on a good principle of not voting for a candidate whom he reasonably believes will engage in an unjust war. However, beyond these very basic principles I do think one can take into consideration practicalities and political realities. As Russel Kirk said, "Politics is the art of the possible."
What are the major differences you see with Obama and Romney? Tax hikes aside. (They'll never be passed (it really is all a circus) Both would, one did, sign NDAA 2012 with no provisions, consult attorneys to wage war, bail out political sponsers (i.e. those "too big to fail"), extend "drug war," as well as, "war on terror," obamney care..... the list really does go on and on. For the bolded statement... Tsk Tsk. I suppose that's why I despise the majority of politicians. Too many praticalities and political realties. Let's all just go along to get along. So they don't have weaponry? Meh, I can settle for drones flying overhead. So the banks are too big to fail? Meh, I can settle with "printing" a few trillion dollars. It's a damn shame I have no one in Ohio to look up to. They're all just playing the game, with monopoly money, while we starve and suffer. Perhaps it's that I'm young, and inherited this fucked up systematic slavery, that I'm a little upset. Not because I'm young. I wish a lot more would have been done sooner. (Though I can't blame anyone for falling for the rhetoric and propaganda; while I often do) Forgive me for venting. Politicks irk me.
 
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If either Romney or Obama wins, the US government will be unlikely to last 15-20 years - the budgetary mathematics bring us to a hard stop well before that time frame.
 
Don't vote for Romney because you want to change the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is a red herring. The justices interpret existing laws based mainly on previous rulings ('precedents'). If you don't like their rulings, just change the laws. The Liberty movement will never win in court, no matter who is appointed, because there are too many 'precedents' going the other way. The only way to overturn bad Supreme Court rulings is to pass different laws. Ie get Liberty people elected.
 
plus think about the media it would generate if ron paul ended up on ballots in november?


Ummm. None.

It would generate a lot of votes if they were counted, though.


i'd much rather be tortured than vote for romney

Be careful what you wish for.



Look at Romney's foreign policy team.

One of them is John Bolton.

Who he said he'd make Secretary of State.

Oh, and what's worse, Bolton is publicly opposing Romney's calls to arm the rebels in Syria.

Romney is outhawking John fucking Bolton. After the Republican primary has been decided.


That is almost exactly what I said after Obama was elected and had to listen to some people being optimistic. I simply said "look at the cabinet he just picked and then explain to me how things will be getting better."
 
ya....cause the supreme court nominees over the past 30 years have been such a roadblock against the enemies of freedom. :rolleyes:
 
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