Why Dr. Paul lost my support

[SeekLiberty]

And how could an amendment to the constitution be unconstitutional?

Because the Amendment was not properly ratified. That's "all" it takes to make it UNconstitutional.

- SL

 

[Mesogen]

<eddie murphy as jewish man in coming to america> A HA! </eddie murphy as jewish man in coming to america>

 

[Mesogen]

I think that is kind of funny that someone by saying "I don't believe in God" is saying that there is a god but that he doesen't believe in it........ better to say " I have no opinion about the one that you refer to as God".

I for one believe in "The Force" that which is everything and is everywhere......yes I know, from "Star Wars".......just don't call me R2D2

Maybe it would be more appropriate for a positive atheist to say "I don't believe in gods."

 

[Ponce]

Maybe it would be more appropriate for a positive atheist to say "I don't believe in gods."

Meso? even then you are still saying that there are Gods.

 

[ChrisM]

Because the Amendment was not properly ratified. That's "all" it takes to make it UNconstitutional.

- SL

Let's be real, though... If it were challenged, the Southern states would almost immediately re-ratify it as a political move.

 

[ChooseLiberty]

Definitely troll. BTW - has anyone gone over to other candidates boards and trolled - why I no longer support Ghouliani, Thompson, etc.? Good technique.

troll?

 

[Mesogen]

Meso? even then you are still saying that there are Gods.

Sorry, no.

So when you say "I don't believe in the loch ness monster" are you saying that the loch ness monster exists? No.

 

[Ponce]

It has not been proven that it not exist........ the adds are that there is something in the water.

And how about UFO's?

 

[Kandilynn]

I'm an atheist and I'm voting for Ron Paul.

 

[cjhowe]

Because the Amendment was not properly ratified. That's "all" it takes to make it UNconstitutional.

- SL

I hate to be nit picky, but that's not entirely true.

Article V
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

So... if an amendment is not ratified, it is not for all intent and purposes a part of the constitution. Unconstitutional means contrary to the constitution, it does not mean that something is simply not a part of the constitution.

This may seem like a small distinction, however because all but one of the amendments were ratified by state legislatures, those states that ratified have agreed and made it valid, as it is then a state law. Those states that did not ratify it may have a case to make, however none have successfully made that case.

 

[Mesogen]

It has not been proven that it not exist........ the adds are that there is something in the water.

And how about UFO's?

When one says "I don't believe in it" that means "My opinion is that it does not exist."

So whether it exists or not is immaterial to one's belief or opinion.

 

[mtmedlin]

WOW, this reminds me of my undergraduate work in Political Science at the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA!!! (Go Bulls)
Hours and hours of debate by people who in the end agree with each other. Splitting hairs over basically nothing. In the end Ron Paul supports the atheists rights just as much as the religious.
Now, let me ask you a real question.

What does an insomniac dyslexic atheist do?

 

[ShaneC]

WOW, this reminds me of my undergraduate work in Political Science at the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA!!! (Go Bulls)
Hours and hours of debate by people who in the end agree with each other. Splitting hairs over basically nothing. In the end Ron Paul supports the atheists rights just as much as the religious.
Now, let me ask you a real question.

What does an insomniac dyslexic atheist do?

I don't know?

But if he were an agnostic, I'd imagine he'd stay up all night debating the existence of Dog(s).

 

[David Merrill]

Ever since I heard about Dr. Paul and what he stood for I really wanted to do everything I could to get him elected. Over the past few months I have noticed a lot of things I really don't like. Today I read 2 quotes from him that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs". — Ron Paul

"Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage." - Ron Paul

I am an atheist, I have no problems with religion but it has no place in our government.

Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;

Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;

This Court, therefore, urges the Attorney General of the United States of America, Janet Reno, currently under the Political Leadership of President Bill Clinton to answer to the charge of failure to hear a grievance that is brought before its duly appointed Courts, and it has 90 working days in which to show cause as to why this case should not be heard before this Court and to submit documents showing that it has conformed with all treaties, conventions and wishes of the native peoples and with states accepted or annexed under the Constitutional principles and Noahide law, which was adopted as Law in the United States by Congress.

Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

One really has to come to grip with the inherent purpose of Paul's War by Propaganda against Rome. The installment of the Seven Noachide Laws in Asia Minor - Turkey. Then one can get some perspective:

Oath to support constitution. The senators and representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound, by oath or affirmation, to support this constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

View the public trust from 1913 that Ron Paul keeps trying to abolish:

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c108query.html
search "HR 2778"

and

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c110query.html
search "HR 2755"

But to really understand search "HR 2777" through "HR 2779" to get the gist of Ron Paul that day. And a flash in the pan it was. The bill keeps flopping - why?

Well why would nobody want to abolish the Fed but Ron Paul?


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. Maybe tomorrow I will look to see how Ron voted on that bill.

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_PublicMoney.wmv
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1054706869308133588

 

[Wendi]

I am an atheist, I have no problems with religion but it has no place in our government.

I'm glad to know that you won't be using our nation's currency then.

 

[pyrazole]

I'm glad to know that you won't be using our nation's currency then.

ooh, nice one!

 

[David Merrill]

no vote

P.S. Maybe tomorrow I will look to see how Ron voted on that bill.

It turns out that Ronald Ernest was not a Congressman during the confirmation of the Seven Noachide Laws by Congress. It passed unanimously.