Why do the non-anarchists seem to be so anti-anarchist?

[Travlyr]

In a similar way to Celtic Ireland, the Icelandic Commonwealth, or as outlined by writers such as Rothbard or Friedman. Why is there a market failure in law? Even much more decentralized government with secession privileges would be much better.

Clear as mud my friend.

 

[josh b]

Clear as mud my friend.

Thanks. It's not like people on this forum have tried to explain this before. It's not like they've provided links to explanations either.

 

[Travlyr]

Thanks. It's not like people on this forum have tried to explain this before. It's not like they've provided links to explanations either.

Like Ron Paul does ... keep trying. If your philosophy is really worth it, then it'll begin to make sense to most people.

 

[libertyjam]

And that's your logic? lol. Wow...staus quo support is your answer. Amazing rationale for coercion and monopoly. How about it isn't perfect, let's recognize logically why, and abolish what is coercive and unnecessary. You support the State to the point of close minded zombification.

I suspect that you are a better talker than you are a reader.

That is because that is all PI has, he is nothing more than a punk kid hiding behind a keyboard that hurls insults, he wouldn't dare say what he says IRL.

 

[ProIndividual]

That is because that is all PI has, he is nothing more than a punk kid hiding behind a keyboard that hurls insults, he wouldn't dare say what he says IRL.

Nice ad hominem attack...informal logical fallacy anyone.

I didn't call him a name, I stated what he's doing.

And he meant writer, not reader...he couldn't even insult me correctly...even though it was just an ad hominem attack. Neither of you has anything logical to add apparently.

BTW..libertyjam (change your name, statist), you called me a "clueless fuck"...so stfu hypocrite. Calling you a hypocrite here isn't an ad hominem, it's an observation.

Now does anyone want to have a logical debate a high school debate class would allow? Or are we going to condescend and use informal logical fallacies to make non-points?

I'm in my 30s btw, I'm not a kid, asshole. I'll destroy you in any logical debate, IQ test, etc...anytime you want to pay for such measures to prove who is smarter, we can do that. I'm confident in my autodidactism over your State school education. Feel free to keep personally attacking me though, using guilt by association propaganda models, and any other informal logical fallacy you folks fall back on anytime we obliterate your long ago addressed nonsense reservation about total liberty and the abolition of tyranny.

Have a nice day sadistic statists (not ad hominem, sadism has been demonstrated, statism has been embraced).

Why don't you guys realize you lost already? Your precious State is the problem, not who is in it...power seeks power for powers sake. Repeating the same behaviors expecting a different result is insanity. 200 years of failing at small government and you still blow the State on hands and knees...it's sad really. The exact reason why the majority is almost always wrong, voting is tyranny, and democracies, and to a lesser extent Republics, fail. "Most people" are just a fickle and stupid mob who wave flags and send their kids to die for nonsense and call it "defending our rights, derrrr". Wake up, or lose all your liberties (what few we have left).

Tax is theft, the State is a monopolist violence machine, and your collectivist nonsense leads to tyranny...end of story.

And I'll say all this to your statist face as soon as you pay to put me in your face (my travel expenses). The fact you think I'm supposed to cower to violence or threat shows you are violent and coercive overall...a sadist. A sociopath. A statist. You don't believe in rights at all...you believe I should only have freedom of speech where I suck the balls of the State. Fuck your State. I love America, not the State. You know, the actual people your violent State is obstensibly supposed to keep safe, and whose rights are supposed to be safeguarded by it?

Hypocrite and bully...go play in traffic libertyjam, do humanity a favor you statist sadistic sociopathic violence-loving hypocrite.

(Ps. You aren't the first person to threaten me with violence, overtly or covertly. Both of you have been statists, not suprisingly....lol.)

 

[Wesker1982]

Do tell.

Voluntarily.

 

[josh b]

Voluntarily.

Given the ridiculous amount of resources we have and the constant debate I don't know how much clearer we can be. You can't convince those who do not wish to be convinced.

 

[Wesker1982]

Given the ridiculous amount of resources we have and the constant debate I don't know how much clearer we can be. You can't convince those who do not wish to be convinced.

I have no illusions about convincing certain people. What I write though gives me good material for convincing others.

 

[josh b]

I have no illusions about convincing certain people. What I write though gives me good material for convincing others.

Yeah but I just noticed that recently. I didn't realize what a history these debates have on this board.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I have no illusions about convincing certain people. What I write though gives me good material for convincing others.

It's a good way of looking at the debate, and probably goes a long way toward preventing frustration.

 

[ProIndividual]

All -archists (min- or an-) please read this post:

I got banned from chat for NO reason after being attacked for a half hour for statements like "MOST (not all) politicians are liars"

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...following-all-archists-(min-or-an-)-read-this

 

[abolitionist]

Forgive me for not reading thru 70 pages of comments. I read the first page, saw a reference to somalia and ... so I'll just leave this here:

http://www.peterleeson.com/better_off_stateless.pdf

Apologies if someone else already posted it. But every time anyone mentiones anything pro-liberty these days, it seems some jackalope mentions somalia as "proof" that we need the state. (never mind that it was the state that put somalia in the condition it was, and that it is the state that keeps going there and murdering people and generally making life worse.)