Why do the non-anarchists seem to be so anti-anarchist?

[Deborah K]

Stay thirsty, my friend.

Back at cha, darlin

 

[Deborah K]

You're too impatient, Deb. I can't attend to every question immediately. Have patience, little one.

It's just that a lot of the time, you don't respond at all.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

At what age?

You realize that this problem that you're conjuring is solved by minarchists entirely arbitrarily, and enforced by fiat without regard to individual circumstances, right?

A stateless society will have no one answer to this question, naturally, as there would be no single authority, per se.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

It's just that a lot of the time, you don't respond at all.

Tell us the truth: You've just been dying to use that toob, haven't you?

 

[Travlyr]

And from what AUTHORITY does this strictly defined definition arise you collectively adhere to? You do realize what a joke you clowns are with this crap. It is akin to talking back to mommy and daddy except yer frakking adults. I refuse to take any of you seriously. You give me no good reasons at all. Just obfuscation and shuffle rolls around the issue.

Rev9

They don't realize how much of a joke they are. I keep trying to help them out. I even repeatedly point them to the true culprits of our tyranny. Over and over again Ron Paul and many others show them who is running things behind the curtain. Can they see it? Some eventually do. But many just hold on to the false idol of liberty with all they've got. It's all they know because they haven't done their homework.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Interesting.
And to what authority would someone under 18 appeal in order to get the divorce?

re-read my post. "The mechanism for doing this depends on the time and place. This is basically the way things worked before the modern State, and humanity did just fine (even better than now, in many ways)."

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It's just that a lot of the time, you don't respond at all.

Actually, I do. It just goes over folks' heads and I have to keep simplifying it.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

They don't realize how much of a joke they are. I keep trying to help them out. I even repeatedly point them to the true culprits of our tyranny. Over and over again Ron Paul and many others show them who is running things behind the curtain. Can they see it? Some eventually do. But many just hold on to the false idol of liberty with all they've got. It's all they know because they haven't done their homework.

You're not in much of a position to criticize. Minarchists have had 220+ years and the best conditions possible (geographic, cultural, etc) to get it right, and still failed. So far, all the anarchists around here have been pwning you, so I don't know why you think they haven't done their homework.

How is liberty a "false idol"? Your desperation is showing.

 

[Travlyr]

You realize that this problem that you're conjuring is solved by minarchists entirely arbitrarily, and enforced by fiat without regard to individual circumstances, right?

No, that's what the anarchists in charge right now are doing.

A stateless society will have no one answer to this question, naturally, as there would be no single authority, per se.

Right, just a bunch of "who's in charge around here?", nonsense. A stateless society has more questions than answers.

But you don't seem to realize that everyone is born into a world of rules. They always have been and always will be. Just because you don't want them written down and organized does not mean they aren't enforcible by whoever claims authority.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

No, that's what the anarchists in charge right now are doing.

What anarchists in charge? Are you writing from some other country where anarchists are in charge?

Right, just a bunch of "who's in charge around here?", nonsense. A stateless society has more questions than answers.

Same could be said of a State-oriented society. All questions of how things are handled in state-run society are absolutely arbitrary, and more often than not ineffective and harmful.

 

[Travlyr]

You're not in much of a position to criticize. Minarchists have had 220+ years and the best conditions possible (geographic, cultural, etc) to get it right, and still failed. So far, all the anarchists around here have been pwning you, so I don't know why you think they haven't done their homework.

How is liberty a "false idol"? Your desperation is showing.

Desperate? Hardly. Anarchy is the false idol of liberty.
Honest Sound Money is the key to liberty, peace, and prosperity.

The rule of law is clearly established. The supreme law of the land is in place. The U.S. government was co-opted in 1913 by international bankers (rules do not apply to them - anarchists) through a nine day conspiracy held at Jekyll Island in 1910. Kicking the anarchists ass along with a return to honest sound money and the rule of law is what will liberate the people.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Desperate? Hardly. Anarchy is the false idol of liberty.
Honest Sound Money is the key to liberty, peace, and prosperity.

The rule of law is clearly established. The supreme law of the land is in place. The U.S. government was co-opted in 1913 by international bankers (rules do not apply to them - anarchists) through a nine day conspiracy held at Jekyll Island in 1910. Kicking the anarchists ass along with a return to honest sound money and the rule of law is what will liberate the people.

Clearly desperate. You make this wild claim, and fail to prove it. Anarchists have voluminous evidence to prove that it works. The US government was co-opted in 1787 by the Federalists (turning the ideals of the signers of the DoI upside down), making the later 1913 coup almost inevitable(Hamilton, a key founder, was a fan of central banking, and would have applauded the Federal Reserve act).

Also, the rule of law is NOT clearly established. We know very well now that anyone with money and connections to the elites can get away with just about anything. Only the citizenry is bound by law. The greatest criminals are empowered by the law.

Involuntary government is the false idol of liberty. It has its own forms of worship, clergy, hymns, etc. I like to call it a religion for atheists and secularists.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

No, that's what the anarchists in charge right now are doing.

Right, just a bunch of "who's in charge around here?", nonsense. A stateless society has more questions than answers.

It may have more questions, but at least the answers aren't derived arbitrarily, and imposed by fiat. :thumbs:

But you don't seem to realize that everyone is born into a world of rules. They always have been and always will be. Just because you don't want them written down and organized does not mean they aren't enforcible by whoever claims authority.

On which day did God say, "let there be rules"?

 

[Travlyr]

Clearly desperate. You make this wild claim, and fail to prove it. Anarchists have voluminous evidence to prove that it works. The US government was co-opted in 1787 by the Federalists (turning the ideals of the signers of the DoI upside down), making the later 1913 coup almost inevitable(Hamilton, a key founder, was a fan of central banking, and would have applauded the Federal Reserve act).

The Articles of Confederation fell in less than 10 years.

Ron Paul has been saying since 1971 that honest sound money is the key to liberty. I'll say it until we get it, or until I die... whichever comes first.

Honest Sound Money is the key to liberty, peace, and prosperity.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

They don't realize how much of a joke they are. I keep trying to help them out. I even repeatedly point them to the true culprits of our tyranny. Over and over again Ron Paul and many others show them who is running things behind the curtain. Can they see it? Some eventually do. But many just hold on to the false idol of liberty with all they've got. It's all they know because they haven't done their homework.

This is very, very funny stuff.

The state is the instrument by which your so-called "anarchists" tyrannize. Yet somehow, we need the state - and help me with the logic, here - to protect us from these "anarchists" in control of the state...?

 

[Travlyr]

It may have more questions, but at least the answers aren't derived arbitrarily, and imposed by fiat. :thumbs:



On which day did God say, "let there be rules"?

I use the dictionary when I want to know the meaning of a word. I don't make shit up.
Definition of ANARCHIST
1
: a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power
2
: a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I use the dictionary when I want to know the meaning of a word. I don't make shit up.
Definition of ANARCHIST
1
: a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power
2
: a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order.

 

[TheDrakeMan]

Many anarchists (and some Libertarians) have become rather pushy and not willing to listen to other people's concerns on things like illegal immigration, America's role in world politics, and statist intervention into the economy. I'm not saying most Anarchists are like this, but people like the Free Talk Live hosts try to simplify everything.
Caller: Hey I support the war in blah blah blah.
Ian: So you support stealing money from me?
Caller: What?

. The problem is some anarchists seem to forget that the average day person has no idea what Libertarianism or Anarchy is all about. You can't just use the against-me argument for literally everything.

With that said I don't mind Anarchists & Ultra-Libertarians. I disagree with a lot of their ideas but they will still fight to limit government.

Why do the non-anarchists seem to be so anti-anarchist?

 

[Travlyr]

The state is the instrument by which your so-called "anarchists" tyrannize. Yet somehow, we need the state - and help me with the logic, here - to protect us from these "anarchists" in control of the state...?

Right. It will be the rule of law that returns liberty to people not the lack of it. Destroying the state is undesirable. We don't expect help from anarchists, but we are hoping that you will go somewhere else to spread your false idol garbage.

Ron Paul is running for president of the United States which was formed by the U.S. Constitution. If you don't want any part of that, then why are you here?

 

[mczerone]

At what age?

I don't know. Do you suppose you, or your state can know, for all people everywhere in every capacity? Can you not accept that each individual would need their own "age" of competency? It matters not how many times the Earth has circled the Sun, but only how the individual's capacity for empathy, reason, and self-interest develop in order to be a legitimate party to certain contracts.