Why do people vote "uncommitted" at a caucus?

[MrZach]

Why bother going to a caucus if you plan on voting uncomitted?

I honestly don't understand.

Cuz there are a ton more things done at a caucus besides just take a straw poll for who you want to be the GOP nominee for President. They're being good citizens to show up and participate. Give 'em a break...

 

[Thanehand]

In the case of Paul supporters, it was a strategy.

The strategy was that by saying they were uncommitted, they increased their odds of being voted in as a delegate for the county convention. Rather than McCain and Huck supporters NOT voting for them to be a delegate because they had something against Ron Paul.

See this thread I posted for more information on the process.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

In the case of Paul supporters, it was a strategy.

The strategy was that by saying they were uncommitted, they increased their odds of being voted in as a delegate for the county convention. Rather than McCain and Huck supporters NOT voting for them to be a delegate because they had something against Ron Paul.

See this thread I posted for more information on the process.

That is kind of upseting.

I know its all about delegates, but media perception can play a huge part for us if we could win a couple states.

 

[rice_classic]

Had I not chosen "Uncommitted" I would not be a delegate right now. I was "politiking".

It's called Strategy:

strat·e·gy (strt-j)
n. pl. strat·e·gies
1.
a. The science and art of using all the forces of a nation to execute approved plans as effectively as possible during peace or war.
b. The science and art of military command as applied to the overall planning and conduct of large-scale combat operations.
2. A plan of action resulting from strategy or intended to accomplish a specific goal. See Synonyms at plan.
3. The art or skill of using stratagems in endeavors such as politics and business.

 

[Thanehand]

That is kind of upseting.

I know its all about delegates, but media perception can play a huge part for us if we could win a couple states.

Yes, but even with a first place win, the media *would still* REFUSE to cover Ron Paul.

It's a fantasy to think otherwise. At least, from the research I've done in compiling the media blackout history for the RPTimeline, it's evident that the establishment is doing everything they can to keep him out of the discussion.

It would be good for morale "within the ranks" of die-hard supporters, but frankly I think we need to ignore the media and continue focusing on the bigger picture.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Had I not chosen "Uncommitted" I would not be a delegate right now. I was "politiking".

It's called Strategy:

strat·e·gy (strt-j)
n. pl. strat·e·gies
1.
a. The science and art of using all the forces of a nation to execute approved plans as effectively as possible during peace or war.
b. The science and art of military command as applied to the overall planning and conduct of large-scale combat operations.
2. A plan of action resulting from strategy or intended to accomplish a specific goal. See Synonyms at plan.
3. The art or skill of using stratagems in endeavors such as politics and business.

I understand what they were going for. I just feel that even we lost some delegates, the winning of a media cover preference poll would give us some legitamacy.

I worry that if we go to our convention with 0 states won via primary or straw poll, most people won't even bother to pay the cash and show up.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Yes, but even with a first place win, the media *would still* REFUSE to cover Ron Paul.

It's a fantasy to think otherwise. At least, from the research I've done in compiling the media blackout history for the RPTimeline, it's evident that the establishment is doing everything they can to keep him out of the discussion.

It would be good for morale "within the ranks" of die-hard supporters, but frankly I think we need to ignore the media and continue focusing on the bigger picture.

CNN mentioned Ron Paul in third place quite a bit today. They commented on how good of a showing. I don't think it would be all over the place, but they would have to mention a winner. I was watching with friends, not Republicans, and they were impressed because all the previously have seen was single and lower teen showings. It does provide legitamacy to some extent.

 

[FreedomFighter8008]

I worry that if we go to our convention with 0 states won via primary or straw poll, most people won't even bother to pay the cash and show up.

Some of you guys miss the point. The goal is to win delegates, not necessarily to win states. There's a strategy in play here, which I won't get into, but you have to believe, people. If you've been in the military, then you know what I'm talking. This thing is not over. Everyone who is a delegate for Ron Paul needs to be at the national convention -- NO FAIL. We all know how brilliant RP is. Well, trust me, you've seen nothing yet. Listen to what your state RP co-ordinators are telling you to do and just do it. Do everything you can to get out the vote and win delegates for Ron Paul. Come national convention time, it will all make sense.

 

[justatrey]

If this is true, then I'd have to call it the biggest disappointment so far. We finally can actually win a state and force the MSM media to make us look at least somewhat legitimate, and we decide not to? Is it really worth a few delegates at this point?

I think it would have been to our advantage to sacrifice a few delegates for once and take the benefits of finally having an official victory.

 

[FreedomFighter8008]

If this is true, then I'd have to call it the biggest disappointment so far. We finally can actually win a state and force the MSM media to make us look at least somewhat legitimate, and we decide not to? Is it really worth a few delegates at this point?

I think it would have been to our advantage to sacrifice a few delegates for once and take the benefits of finally having an official victory.

That's highly debatable. Do you really think the MSM would have reported it in a good light? Get real. They would have done everything they could to spin it negatively. Focus on the main objective, keep working your ass off to win delegates and votes for RP like the rest of us, and watch what happens at the national convention.

 

[angelatc]

The McCain supporter then accused me of "cutting and running" from Korea, a conflict aht had been decided some 55 years ago and voted for the Huckabee guy...lol.

It's best to avoid talking about any war with McCain supporters. Immigration and stem cell research are the talking points.

 

[4RP08inKCMO]

I listened to Katja Delavar's conference call three times this week, and it was advised to write-in on the sign-up sheet your presidental preference--Ron Paul--that this is where the media gets their "results" from. When they said not to write Ron Paul on a ballot, that meant not to write his name, but to write the name of the nominated Ron Paul delegate, or your ballot would be invalid.
In anycase, it matters because the media is now saying McCain won. But at this stage, delegates are uncommited. I know a Ron Paul supporter in the next precinct over from mine who, after being elected a delegate, was listed on the tally sheet as a Huckabee delegate, because an overbearing Huckabee supporter demanded it. This friend of mine did not study well enough Robert's Rules or Order, so she did not know to say "Point of order, Mr/Madam Chairman," and contest this obvious manipulation of the tally numbers.

So why did people put undecided on their sign-up sheets?