Why do illegals screech "racism" if they're not a race?

[PennCustom4RP]

Is that going to be your argument for everything? Race is not a scientific construct, in any sense of the imagination. The attempt to make it one is an oversimplification and erroneous sampling of clines.

This will be my statement concerning you until you make any sort of sense.
Race most certainly is a scientific construct, to believe otherwise is ignorant and misguided.

Hispanics have a point in calling much of the rhetoric around this topic racism.

I don't know Chris, but the 2 Hispanics that I am aware, that have commented on this topic have thus far disagreed with you.

You don't view them as whites and therefore they are a different race to you.

Oh my, finally you've said something I can agree with.
They are not white, they are a mix when regarding Hispanic Mexicans, but as I've stated previously, Hispanic is a language based association.
Blacks, Asians, Native Americans are not white either, so yes they are different than my race.

This is abundantly clear when you talk about having to wait in hospitals. Because there are browns ahead of you in line, you complain about illegals. There is absolutely no way you could know their alien status waiting in line in a hospital or clinic.

How any of this is material to Race being a social or scientific construct is beyond me.

I will add this though, its not a question of 'ahead of me in line', its a matter of the overburdening of the system.
When we were evacuated for Hurricane Rita, we came back to a mass influx of Mexicans.They were here when we returned 2 weeks later. Where did they come from? Surely there wasn't some legal immigration happening all of a sudden. Legal people do not just pick up and move en mass, in a 2 week time period. Illegals do, and filled a void caused by a weather event, and they are still here clogging the system to the point where nothing can get done.

I personally wouldn't call it racism, as it is an oversimplification. It is however hate, prejudice and ignorance. The discrimination against illegal immigrants is a product of the same soup as racism. Since you can't feel any sense of self worth from the lives you affect or any sense of personal responsibility for your lot in life, you claim some sort of superiority because of where you were born and use that as a basis to discriminate against others. I would feel bad for you if it wasn't for the fact that you are transgressing so horribly against others and denying them the unalienable freedoms that you demand be protected for you.

More of your misguided assertions Chris..I challenge you to find anywhere on this forum where I have stated that I hate or that I am superior to any race, there is not a word. There are no racial slurs Chris, unlike you, who has made them.

07-29-2007, 12:17 AM...Originally Posted by cjhowe...kikes, niggers, dagos, mics, gooks and now it's the spics and the sand niggers<snip>

I also challenge you to find on this forum where I have said I was against legal immigration. I am against Illegal immigration, a distinction I make, but you do not.
It also appears to me that you cry hate, racism, prejudice and bigotry when anyones opinion differs from yours.

Take your 'White Guilt' ridden, hypocritical, over righteous, Troll self back under the bridge.

 

[cjhowe]

This will be my statement concerning you until you make any sort of sense.
Race most certainly is a scientific construct, to believe otherwise is ignorant and misguided.

Just because I'm speaking above your head, does not mean that I'm not making sense. Find out exactly what a cline is before you make any more statements on race being a scientific construct. If you sample populations in Oslo, Beijing and Nairobi, you can certainly find arguments for race having a scientific construct. However, if you walk from Oslo to Beijing, sampling populations along the way, there would be no visible boundary between one people and another.

I don't know Chris, but the 2 Hispanics that I am aware, that have commented on this topic have thus far disagreed with you.

Again, your means of sampling is disturbing.

Oh my, finally you've said something I can agree with.
They are not white, they are a mix when regarding Hispanic Mexicans, but as I've stated previously, Hispanic is a language based association.
Blacks, Asians, Native Americans are not white either, so yes they are different than my race.

Thank you for admitting that racism is possible regarding this issue. So now there are four on this thread that admit to as much. Two pro-immigration people and two anti-immigration people. We're making progress.

How any of this is material to Race being a social or scientific construct is beyond me.

My discussion regarding race and social/scientific construct was finished with the point on clines.

I will add this though, its not a question of 'ahead of me in line', its a matter of the overburdening of the system.

When we were evacuated for Hurricane Rita, we came back to a mass influx of Mexicans.They were here when we returned 2 weeks later. Where did they come from? Surely there wasn't some legal immigration happening all of a sudden. Legal people do not just pick up and move en mass, in a 2 week time period. Illegals do, and filled a void caused by a weather event, and they are still here clogging the system to the point where nothing can get done.

A person is not illegal. Their actions may be but the person, never. Being brown and in Louisiana does not mean someone is an immigrant who has broken a law. That you would suspect that, is a display of your prejudices.

More of your misguided assertions Chris..I challenge you to find anywhere on this forum where I have stated that I hate or that I am superior to any race, there is not a word. There are no racial slurs Chris, unlike you, who has made them.
I also challenge you to find on this forum where I have said I was against legal immigration. I am against Illegal immigration, a distinction I make, but you do not.

Thanks for cutting that quote to fit your agenda.

No one wants to deal with the real problems here. We just want to find a scapegoat

It also appears to me that you cry hate, racism, prejudice and bigotry when anyones opinion differs from yours.

That is certainly not true. I believe I have written about 4 distinct topics on this board. Immigration, 9/11 conspiracies theories, fallacies of Aaron Russo's film, and abortion. This is the only one that I've mentioned even to have a component of bigotry and prejudice. Even then, I've only mentioned it as a component of the issue. The rest of the immigration issue is ethics of freedom, federal government's responsibility to protect the unalienable rights of all peoples within its borders, understanding economics, role of government in protecting culture (or rather a lack of a role), and the misguided use of welfare as a safety net.

Take your 'White Guilt' ridden, hypocritical, over righteous, Troll self back under the bridge.

Thank you for those pearls.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Thank you for those pearls.

You are welcome.

 

[Lord Xar]

Penn, you still arguing with this dude? What a complete time waste.

Btw, cjhow, your transparency is so obvious that I did not see your supposed declaration of "white guilt", yet I could identify you unerringly.

There is no doubt that you understand I have your number because in my experiences you are as common as a wall fly.

My buddy is pulled from the same cloth as you, a white guilt liberal who loves everything i hate, yet cheats on his taxes... its hilarious, he doesn't mind when everyone else pays for his beliefs. I would venture to say you are right up his alley.

Just so we are clear. You are obvious. Your declaration of your obviousness does nothing to bolster your stance. You were run off another forum I frequent and you will run off here too, eventually. I am not about censorship - but it is obvious you are not here to help. You are only here to throw up roadblocks and try to get others to validate your guilt.

See, you throw out insults and create figments of knowledge out of thin air because your best arguments are not based in fact or even real knowledge but in stiring emotion by labeling.

How about this.. do us all a favor and get over yourself. If you have this overwhelming need to get diarehhea of the mouth, just give yourself pennance - a couple lashes with a horsetail should do the trick. And save us all from your righteous wrong turn.

I just wasted 3 minutes of my life I will never get back. Thanks cjhow -- There is gonna be a minuteman rally soon. Make sure you are on the other side calling them racists and giving them the finger.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Penn, you still arguing with this dude? What a complete time waste.

Btw, cjhow, your transparency is so obvious that I did not see your supposed declaration of "white guilt", yet I could identify you unerringly.

There is no doubt that you understand I have your number because in my experiences you are as common as a wall fly.

My buddy is pulled from the same cloth as you, a white guilt liberal who loves everything i hate, yet cheats on his taxes... its hilarious, he doesn't mind when everyone else pays for his beliefs. I would venture to say you are right up his alley.

Just so we are clear. You are obvious. Your declaration of your obviousness does nothing to bolster your stance. You were run off another forum I frequent and you will run off here too, eventually. I am not about censorship - but it is obvious you are not here to help. You are only here to throw up roadblocks and try to get others to validate your guilt.

See, you throw out insults and create figments of knowledge out of thin air because your best arguments are not based in fact or even real knowledge but in stiring emotion by labeling.

How about this.. do us all a favor and get over yourself. If you have this overwhelming need to get diarehhea of the mouth, just give yourself pennance - a couple lashes with a horsetail should do the trick. And save us all from your righteous wrong turn.

I just wasted 3 minutes of my life I will never get back. Thanks cjhow -- There is gonna be a minuteman rally soon. Make sure you are on the other side calling them racists and giving them the finger.

Xar, You just made my day

 

[cjhowe]

Xar,
I'm confused. Why is it that you rant about how wrong I am, but agree with everything I've said? You admit that for some, there is a racial component. This thread is about racism and how the OP doesn't think it's possible for Hispanics to be victims of racism from whites. You agree they are a separate race and that there are racial undertones to many people's position on the anti-immigration front. If you'd like to discuss the other components, I would be happy to. The other components of immigration reform are:

Drug Reform
Freedom
Responsibility of the Federal Government
Economics
Role of Government
Welfare Reform

If you actually care about this issue like you say you do, you would be willing to better understand these other components rather than harass people at your Kla...I mean Minuteman rallies. If you understood the other components of this issue, absent bigotry, I can't see a reason why one would still be anti-immigration.

However, you admit to being a protectionist, so I don't expect that you'd be willing to engage in such a discussion. You're America this and America that, but when it comes down to it, you look at the world like the French. You have every right to your opinion on that, just realize that the short term gains of protectionism comes a the cost of falling behind the rest of the world. Even IF you could somehow have your way with immigration, the problems listed above would still remain and will exacerbate.