Why do illegals screech "racism" if they're not a race?

[tati4freedom]

It's not racism, it's geography. We are literally sitting on top of Mexico, so, yes, the majority of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, it just makes sense. Racism is saying we hate Mexicans. We have a policy of welcoming in 180,000 Mexican immigrants a year. Happy to have them here. Not happy to have 40 million others come over whenever they take a fancy, not happy to pay taxes to support them...You know who is thrilled? The Mexican government, because they get to get rid of their lowest class, including their criminals. It's like when San Francisco "cleaned up" their homeless population by kicking them over the Bay into Oakland. You better believe that happened when Willie Brown was mayor. Same idea.

 

[ChooseLiberty]

The Mexicans learned it from Castro - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

It's not racism, it's geography. We are literally sitting on top of Mexico, so, yes, the majority of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, it just makes sense. Racism is saying we hate Mexicans. We have a policy of welcoming in 180,000 Mexican immigrants a year. Happy to have them here. Not happy to have 40 million others come over whenever they take a fancy, not happy to pay taxes to support them...You know who is thrilled? The Mexican government, because they get to get rid of their lowest class, including their criminals. It's like when San Francisco "cleaned up" their homeless population by kicking them over the Bay into Oakland. You better believe that happened when Willie Brown was mayor. Same idea.

 

[Capitalism]

I know you're a troll but I did want to comment on this. Worrying about culture is a very legitimate cause for concern for any people. It does not mean that the effects of cultural change are wrong, there are many good cultural changes in history (sufferance was a great idea). However disrespecting concern over cultural change is ignorance really. As far as not being able to address the cultural effects in a manner that proves that it is "silly" that is. And to categorize concerns that at best for your position are xenophobic hardly makes them "whining". And ultimately cultural changes are not necessarily healthy either.

Perhaps the government should appoint a culture czar.

 

[freelance]

Because they've been instructed to do so and because they can! Rather than hold a genuine, civilized discussion of race, it remains untouchable.

 

[cjhowe]

Not a race? How do you distinguish between races? Race is a social construct, not a scientific one. The 2000 census data shows that racial inclusion is based on a sense of belonging. Half of Hispanics reported being white, half of Hispanics reported "Other". Those that were second generation and farther U.S. citizen where much more likely to claim white as their race.

At one time Irish was considered a separate race from other whites, by other whites. Race has been based on several distinctions in the past. Color of skin, language origin, or hair color even have all been used and are just a means to dehumanize a group of people. The fact that the term "illegals" is meant to only encompass people who immigrate to our country against our laws and not to everyone who violate our laws, shows our propensity to debase people and to be prejudice against people, instead of being prejudiced against actions.

 

[literatim]

Not a race? How do you distinguish between races? Race is a social construct, not a scientific one. The 2000 census data shows that racial inclusion is based on a sense of belonging. Half of Hispanics reported being white, half of Hispanics reported "Other". Those that were second generation and farther U.S. citizen where much more likely to claim white as their race.

Not true. There are clear distinctions between those of the Mongoloid, Causcoid, and Negroid genotypes. Skull shape being the most prevalent, but also in hormonal levels and diseases. If a doctor does not know the race of the patient, he could seriously screw up by giving the wrong diagnosis to a disease and the wrong medicine to cure it.

The reason 'Hispanic' is split is because 'Hispanic' means an origin of Spanish speaking people.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Not a race? How do you distinguish between races? Race is a social construct, not a scientific one.

Race is most certainly a scientific construct.

Take this example, a black kid is raised entirely by whites, has no knowledge of black culture, no black friends, no black society, is he now white? Of course not, he is still black. The society he was reared in did not change his race.

Language on the other hand is a Social Construct.

Hispanic/Latino is based on Language, so technically, any who speaks any Latin based language, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, etc... could be considered Hispanic/Latino, be this a White European Spaniard, a Mexican, or a Black man from Costa Rica.
Mexican is a Nationality, not a Race. Mexicans( as are many South American peoples) are the result of mixing White European Spaniards and indigenous peoples found there.

Is a black man in Aruba (former Dutch colony) the same race as the Dutchman from Amsterdam, just because they both Speak Dutch? No, he is a descendant of an African immigrant(be it forced migration) and the man in the Netherlands is a European white man.

Their Language may be the same, but their races are certainly different.
Even if the Language does change, their races will not.

 

[cjhowe]

Not true. There are clear distinctions between those of the Mongoloid, Causcoid, and Negroid genotypes. Skull shape being the most prevalent, but also in hormonal levels and diseases. If a doctor does not know the race of the patient, he could seriously screw up by giving the wrong diagnosis to a disease and the wrong medicine to cure it.

The reason 'Hispanic' is split is because 'Hispanic' means an origin of Spanish speaking people.

Wow, I didn't realize biological anthropology developed a time machine so that they could construct a word and its popular use before their sciences even existed. Anthropology has taken the existing racial social construct and attempted to fit human variation within it. Some biological anthropologists attempt to give support to the notion that race may have a biological component through comparative analysis of populations. This viewpoint has been largely discredited because the distinctions are largely arbitrary, crude and inconsistent. There are much better and meaningful ways of looking at human variation than through race.

 

[cjhowe]

Race is most certainly a scientific construct.

Take this example, a black kid is raised entirely by whites, has no knowledge of black culture, no black friends, no black society, is he now white? Of course not, he is still black. The society he was reared in did not change his race. <snip>

Was that ever ignorant. The social construct of race is about your ancestry's language origins, not the individual's.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Was that ever ignorant. The social construct of race is about your ancestry's language origins, not the individual's.

Chris...You have no idea as to what you're talking about.
Just more of your dreamworld.

 

[cjhowe]

Chris...You have no idea as to what you're talking about.
Just more of your dreamworld.

Is that going to be your argument for everything? Race is not a scientific construct, in any sense of the imagination. The attempt to make it one is an oversimplification and erroneous sampling of clines.

Hispanics have a point in calling much of the rhetoric around this topic racism. You don't view them as whites and therefore they are a different race to you. This is abundantly clear when you talk about having to wait in hospitals. Because there are browns ahead of you in line, you complain about illegals. There is absolutely no way you could know their alien status waiting in line in a hospital or clinic.

I personally wouldn't call it racism, as it is an oversimplification. It is however hate, prejudice and ignorance. The discrimination against illegal immigrants is a product of the same soup as racism. Since you can't feel any sense of self worth from the lives you affect or any sense of personal responsibility for your lot in life, you claim some sort of superiority because of where you were born and use that as a basis to discriminate against others. I would feel bad for you if it wasn't for the fact that you are transgressing so horribly against others and denying them the unalienable freedoms that you demand be protected for you.

 

[McDermit]

when hispanics are bitching about illegal hispanic immigrants, you know there's a problem. but hey, keep your blinders on if they make you feel better.

 

[BuddyRey]

"la raza" my azza.

LOL!!!!!! We gotta get some signs printed up with that one.

 

[cjhowe]

when hispanics are bitching about illegal hispanic immigrants, you know there's a problem. but hey, keep your blinders on if they make you feel better.

Imagine that more parallels between the civil rights movement of the 60s and this debate. Tio Taco is the new Uncle Tom.

 

[Lord Xar]

One of the reasons immigration has been made ILLEGAL throughout history is because people are afraid of their precious culture being affected.

.. are you saying culture isn't precious? Also, your argument is faulty because i absolutely ABHORE illegal immigration for a number of reasons, and yes - one of them is my culture being destroyed and over-run by another. So, the snarky remark you made is rather inappropriate.

 

[Lord Xar]

Is that going to be your argument for everything? Race is not a scientific construct, in any sense of the imagination. The attempt to make it one is an oversimplification and erroneous sampling of clines.

Hispanics have a point in calling much of the rhetoric around this topic racism. You don't view them as whites and therefore they are a different race to you. This is abundantly clear when you talk about having to wait in hospitals. Because there are browns ahead of you in line, you complain about illegals. There is absolutely no way you could know their alien status waiting in line in a hospital or clinic.

I personally wouldn't call it racism, as it is an oversimplification. It is however hate, prejudice and ignorance. The discrimination against illegal immigrants is a product of the same soup as racism. Since you can't feel any sense of self worth from the lives you affect or any sense of personal responsibility for your lot in life, you claim some sort of superiority because of where you were born and use that as a basis to discriminate against others. I would feel bad for you if it wasn't for the fact that you are transgressing so horribly against others and denying them the unalienable freedoms that you demand be protected for you.

As usual, you are wrong. Completely wrong and it is obvious you are probably one of the "liberal bloggers' we have been hearing about. Nice try infiltrating the board, but I had you number about a month ago.

Let me set you straight. Just because "YOU" think its hate, prejudice or ignorance is of no consequence. First off, is that a statistic, a fact? Or that is that you just beating the drum of righteousness. You are WAY off the mark. I have no doubt that there are those who do infact do not want illegals here because of racial overtones, just like there are illegal immigrants who want Aztlan -- and thus racist.

I am sick and tired hearing your tired reasonings that are NOT based on anything other than you being able to twist words and sentences.

I am TOTALLY against illegal immigration, and many many many others are too and frankly, I am rather insulted that you feel this need to label. I take offense to your accusations because you are completely wrong. From a social, law, cultural, monetary, and so - I have my reasons to not want illegal immigration.

I would suggest you stop trying to manipulate the conversation like you always seem to do.

Let me explain something to you -- people can have opinions that are different from your own, and their opinions can still be valid and right.

Based on your writings, I could even suggest - though not factual, you are in the biased one. You either have white mans guilt, or you are some unattractive female blogger with nothing better to do ---

Be gone with your demogoguery... until you can actually formulate facts, and not 'evening news' opinions.

 

[Lord Xar]

Imagine that more parallels between the civil rights movement of the 60s and this debate. Tio Taco is the new Uncle Tom.

I am not entirely sure of your point, but if you are saying that these two groups share a common bond in civil rights is completely false and disingenuine. If that is your intention, I now know you are here to forment chaos. EVERY SINGLE BLACK PERSON I have spoke to is completely insulted to insinuate that the struggle that they endured is somehow compared to that of hispanics. This again, is a common ploy to divide and conquer.. a us vs. you mentality... I absolutely hope that is not your intention. Cause if it was, wow - you are quite disinformed and obvious in your intentions here.

Just curious. How many other forums do you visit each day and post your agenda?

 

[Lord Xar]

Other than that's what their "worker's party" organizers tell them to do.

First - there are illegals of every "race" as noted in anthropology texts.

Second - most Mexicans are a mish mash of races and not a single "race".

Someone should fill them in.

"la raza" my azza.

To answer our question directly. They scream racism because liberals usually do not have any sort of argument other than emotion. They know that your ONLY action to their ploys to deceive, is to vote or get active in counter protest. SO, what is the best way to divide you from that which you believe. Actually, they don't care to divest you from your opinion, they just want to make sure your opinion is not heard. They do this by labeling you with negative connotation.

So, you can have your belief, as long as you do not oppose the liberals OR raise a stance against them - they are cool. This labeling, what it does, it prevents you from being vocal or open about your opinion for fear of being labeled by your peers as a racist.

The newspapers and media are so liberally based that we hear it constantly. Folks hate illegal immigration but then they think "yeah, but I am not about hate. I am not racist, gosh maybe I shouldn't protest illegal immigration. I don't want to be labeled racist.... blah blah blah".... but liberals keep saying it over and over and over and over... that is part of the tactic. So - remove your effectiveness with a thorn, that thorn is labeling.


This idea has become SOOO engrained in our culture now, that ANY reference to a racial overtone usually shuts down debate immediately.

La Raza does this, every liberal does this.. and our resident " i can't be wrong" cjhowe does it.. Oh yeah, another liberal undertone is "they are always right!"...

So there you have it. If "peanut butter sandwich" was associated with something horrible, Liberals would be tossing that out too.

 

[cjhowe]

One of the reasons immigration has been made ILLEGAL throughout history is because people are afraid of their precious culture being affected.

.. are you saying culture isn't precious? Also, your argument is faulty because i absolutely ABHORE illegal immigration for a number of reasons, and yes - one of them is my culture being destroyed and over-run by another. So, the snarky remark you made is rather inappropriate.

This about sums up the tirade you go on against my posts. You state that Capitalism's argument that
*one of the reasons immigration has been made illegal is to protect our culture

is faulty because
*one of the reasons that you abhor illegal immigration is to protect our culture.

Good job.

 

[cjhowe]

As usual, you are wrong. Completely wrong and it is obvious you are probably one of the "liberal bloggers' we have been hearing about. Nice try infiltrating the board, but I had you number about a month ago.

Let me set you straight. Just because "YOU" think its hate, prejudice or ignorance is of no consequence. First off, is that a statistic, a fact? Or that is that you just beating the drum of righteousness. You are WAY off the mark. I have no doubt that there are those who do infact do not want illegals here because of racial overtones, just like there are illegal immigrants who want Aztlan -- and thus racist.

Let me get this straight, I agree with many Hispanics that there are prejudices at the core of many people's view on illegal immigration and you agree that many people do not want illegals here because of racial overtones ...and that makes me wrong in my assertions?

I am sick and tired hearing your tired reasonings that are NOT based on anything other than you being able to twist words and sentences.

I am TOTALLY against illegal immigration, and many many many others are too and frankly, I am rather insulted that you feel this need to label. I take offense to your accusations because you are completely wrong. From a social, law, cultural, monetary, and so - I have my reasons to not want illegal immigration.

You are welcome to your reasons to not want immigration. I don't wish to take those away from you. However, I believe that I can enlighten you on how your reasoning regarding the social and monetary support for your argument is incorrect. I have never argued with what the law is on the issue of immigration, but with the social and monetary support actually lying on my side of the issue, I don't believe there is enough cultural support in your argument to support the current laws remaining where they are.

I would suggest you stop trying to manipulate the conversation like you always seem to do.

Let me explain something to you -- people can have opinions that are different from your own, and their opinions can still be valid and right.

People can have differing opinions and both of their opinions can be valid, however they cannot both be right. It is often the case, in fact, when neither is right.

Based on your writings, I could even suggest - though not factual, you are in the biased one. You either have white mans guilt, or you are some unattractive female blogger with nothing better to do ---

Be gone with your demogoguery... until you can actually formulate facts, and not 'evening news' opinions.

You are a sharp one Xar. It is white guilt, I've stated as much. I feel guilt on behalf of you and others like you, and rightfully so. There are those that I have a common ancestry with that wish to make alienable those rights of others which they feel is unalienable to themselves. I feel guilty because of this hypocrisy that is spewed from the loudest voices in the white community and it has yet to be within my power to quiet their ignorance.