Why Do Elections Favor Socialists Over Libertarians?

[acptulsa]

Nothing you said makes any sense.

I'm not going to engage in a lengthy debate with a poster I know isn't interested in the truth.

Immigrants have always voted more for Demoncrats than Republicans.
And I notice you trying to make this about hispanics instead of immigrants, that allows you to try to claim credit for American hispanics who have been here for many generations while avoiding immigrants from all other sources.

Condemning Republican voters because you figure you're condemning more Democrats at the same time is a collectivist thing to do, and very self-defeating. And we were discussing Hispanics before you even horned in on the conversation, so clearly your blood pressure was not the reason the subject came up.

Immigrants come from cultures far more socialist than our own and bring their beliefs with them, our soil doesn't magically erase their education and cultural conditioning.

Collectivism and inference.

 

[Zippyjuan]

In 1992 55% of Asian Americans voted Republican.

Asians and Canadians (North Americans) combined make up 75% of US immigrants.

 

[Swordsmyth]

They (Republicans) controlled both the House and Senate from 1995 through 2007. It was pretty flat during Clinton but soared under Bush. Obama's first two years faced the Republican controlling both Houses and Democrats controlled his last two years. The middle four were divided. Trump's first two years had Republicans in control of all three branches and spending took off again.

If you look closely you will see that with the exception of Clinton (who was restrained by Republicans), O'Bummer (likewise restrained) and Bush II (who started wars) it always goes up much faster under Demoncrats.

And government spending is not the complete picture of the growth of government, tyrannical laws and regulations are always much worse under Demoncrats.
A comparison of Republican states and Demoncrat states is quite clear.

 

[acptulsa]

In 1992 55% of Asian Americans voted Republican.

Doesn't matter, because, um, because...

we don't want voters that have to have their feet kissed in order to get them to vote for less government instead of communism, we only want people who vote based on principle.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not going to engage in a lengthy debate with a poster I know isn't interested in the truth.

I'm always interested in the truth, that's why I'm never interested in what you have to say.

Condemning Republican voters because you figure you're condemning more Democrats at the same time is a collectivist thing to do, and very self-defeating. And we were discussing Hispanics before you even horned in on the conversation, so clearly your blood pressure was not the reason the subject came up.

Immigrants have no right to come here and aren't being "condemned" when we limit their numbers.
We have a right and a duty to limit immigration to preserve liberty for ourselves and our posterity.

Collectivism and inference.

Facts.

 

[acptulsa]

Facts.

This from the liar who said I was referring to third-generation Americans as "immigrants".

 

[Anti Federalist]

I may have more to say on this when I can get in front of my actual computer, depending on how I feel at the time and whether I think it's worth a half-hour to an hour's worth of my time to compose and type up something that's lkely to just be ignored by anyone but those who already agree anyway, but for now suffice it to say this:

What if he IS wrong? So what?

You've already admitted, many times, that you've already lost the battle over immigration, that it's too late and is therefore a lost cause. That being the case, what have you got to lose trying something different? When does one finally decide to give up on what they already know to be an ineffective strategy and start looking at other options?

What would be different?

I'm trying to prevent my home from turning into New Brazzaville, because of unchecked immigration being facilitated, with my tax dollars for the sole and express purpose of displacing me and my posterity.

If I give up and blow away, tell me, what will change that outcome?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Doesn't matter, because, um, because...



Yeah, that's the ticket!

We don't want voters that have to have their feet kissed in order to get them to vote for less government instead of communism, we only want people who vote based on principle.

We also don't want those who vote for the worst Republicans.

And we can allow some immigration and pick and chose where the immigrants are from. (After we deal with the excessive immigration from all over the world)

 

[Swordsmyth]

This from the liar who said I was referring to third-generation Americans as "immigrants".

That's not what I said, liar.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Asians and Canadians (North Americans) combined make up 75% of US immigrants.

I see you are changing the subject to include Canadians.
They are much more socialist than Americans.
And we don't want Asians that vote for Communists if we don't allow them to flood us with millions of their relatives and who vote for the worst Republicans when they do vote Republican.

 

[acptulsa]

And I notice you trying to make this about hispanics instead of immigrants, that allows you to try to claim credit for American hispanics who have been here for many generations while avoiding immigrants from all other sources.

This from the liar who said I was referring to third-generation Americans as "immigrants".

That's not what I said, liar.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I see you are changing the subject to include Canadians.
They are much more socialist than Americans.
And we don't want Asians that vote for Communists if we don't allow them to flood us with millions of their relatives and who vote for the worst Republicans when they do vote Republican.

Yes, everybody is a RINO or a Communist. Very collectivist of you. Guidebook cliches to use in political discussions. 94% of all the votes cast in the last election were by native born Americans. If America is a mess, it is Americans faults.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Yes, you demonstrate your own lies easily.

I said you were trying to make the conversation about hispanics when I was talking about immigrants, I never said you were calling third-generation Americans immigrants.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, everybody is a RINO or a Communist. Very collectivist of you. Guidebook cliches to use in political discussions.

Facts are stubborn things and the truth is a force of nature.

 

[Swordsmyth]

94% of all the votes cast in the last election were by native born Americans. If America is a mess, it is Americans faults.

Immigration has been undermining liberty for generations and the current immigrants tip the balance in favor if its enemies.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Facts are stubborn things and the truth is a force of nature.

The usual "I can't refute you" response from the guidebook.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes, you demonstrate your own lies easily.

I said you were trying to make the conversation about hispanics when I was talking about immigrants, I never said you were calling third-generation Americans immigrants.

You can't spin my conversation about Hispanic immigrants into a conversation about citizens no matter how hard you try. But you've already tried hard enough that everyone can see you're not being honest, so you might as well keep trying.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The usual "I can't refute you" response from the guidebook.

That is what you are using.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You can't spin my conversation about Hispanic immigrants into a conversation about citizens no matter how hard you try. But you've already tried hard enough that everyone can see you're not being honest, so you might as well keep trying.

You are the one using obvious spin but keep projecting.

 

[acptulsa]

You are the one using obvious spin but keep projecting.

I'm spinning and projecting at the same time?

Damn I'm good! I didn't even know that was possible!