Why didn't we get behind Gary Johnson?

[Feeding the Abscess]

Almost all of the problems I have with Rand Paul apply to Gary Johnson.

 

[JoshLowry]

Gary Johnson:

• Supports the murder of the unborn (Ron is better but also isn't truly 100% pro-life)
• Wants to nationalize homosexual 'marriage'
• Supports 'humanitarian wars'
• Seems to have no understanding at all of the Fed
• Comes across as dopey and uninteligent
• Ran as as the LP candidate (validates the aforementioned point)

What's wrong with homosexual marriage? Leave people alone you dickbag.

Any more shitty posts like that and I'm axeing your stupid confederate account with your shit avatar.

(no homo)

 

[The Free Hornet]

I wrote in Paul, because Johnson favors abortion. Johnson will never have my vote. How can anyone oppose these wars, but turn around and favor abortion?

GJ doesn't "favor" abortion. He signed a law outlawing 3rd trimester abortions in New Mexico.

And how can you even PRETEND to be a liberty lover or constitutionalist and maintain the illusion that if you don't try to criminalize something, you "favor" it. That is ass-backwards thinking and 100% contrary to any liberty philosophy. Telling us we favor anything we don't outlaw...

“ Well I support a woman’s right to choose up until viability of the fetus, as governor of New Mexico, I have signed a bill banning late term abortion [how many of those bills have the liars on this thread signed?], I’ve always favored parental notification, I’ve always favored counseling and I’ve always favored the notion that public funds should not be used for abortion. So running for Governor of New Mexico in a state that was 2:1 Democrat, I really didn’t get that vote in the primary, but I’d like to think that I got all of those votes in the general election and that’s a reality here also, for those individuals that hold that as their number one issue, I’m not going to get that vote, I would hope to get that vote if I were to move on to the general election.”
May 5, 2011 Fox News Republican Presidential Debate, Greenville, South Carolina

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Abortion.php

I see no source that he "favors" abortion. How come liars don't bother to use hyperlinks to a source? Just make a page out their with your lies, and link to it!

 

[Confederate]

What's wrong with homosexual marriage? Leave people alone you dickbag.

Any more shitty posts like that and I'm axeing your stupid confederate account with your shit avatar.

(no homo)

I'm against nationalizing it (or any government recognition of it, for that matter). Ron Paul is as well...

 

[JoshLowry]

Yea, ok.

 

[sailingaway]

Can't believe the Gary cheerleaders are still going on about this.

Gary plans to run again. But it is interesting, given the OP's username.

Not sure why it is in this subforum.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Any more shitty posts like that and I'm axeing your stupid confederate account with your shit avatar.

Are you saying real Americans don't defend Israel?

 

[asurfaholic]

Um

After ron paul lost the primary i think people just choose the next best thing in each our our individual minds. As it is supposed to be. Some people voted gj because of whatever reasons. Some wrote in ron paul as a symbol of defiance and a middle finger to the corrupt democratic process (me). Others voted obomba, others voted romney.


It is what it is. I am not a collective with every other person who supported the Ron Paul Revolution. I supported it for my own personal reasons. I also decided GJ wasnt worth my vote for personal reasons.

Maybe you should stop worrying about the past and focus on the future. You asked a question, you got your answers. Maybe its time to drop the GJ butthurt cryfest.

 

[mport1]

Because Gary Johnson is a statist, not a libertarian. I can't in good conscious support somebody like that.

The LP is basically an irrelevant branch of the GOP and are a complete waste of time.

 

[pcosmar]

WE?
I can't speak for "We".
I did not support him because I listened to him talk.

 

[jmdrake]

Because Gary Johnson was actually running for president and wasn't remaining intentionally silent like Ron Paul was for the entire general election. Many states don't count write ins and we wouldn't know how many people wrote in a candidate until a while after the general election when it's irrelevant. Did we ever find out how many people wrote in Ron Paul in 2012?

Yeah. You're right. That's why I voted for Virgil Goode. And that's why in 2008 Ron encouraged people to vote for whichever third party candidate fit their values and why he did the "joint endorsement" of Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader before doing the single endorsement of Baldwin. (And he singly endorsed Baldwin because Bob Barr was being a jackass in demanding that Ron Paul singly endorse him). I think a good strategy going forward is to make sure there are a variety of third party candidates on the ballot in all 50 states so that the reported protest vote will be as high as possible. I'd love to see the day when neither the democrat nor the republican candidate breaks 33% of the popular vote.

 

[Confederate]

Yeah. You're right. That's why I voted for Virgil Goode. And that's why in 2008 Ron encouraged people to vote for whichever third party candidate fit their values and why he did the "joint endorsement" of Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader before doing the single endorsement of Baldwin. (And he singly endorsed Baldwin because Bob Barr was being a jackass in demanding that Ron Paul singly endorse him). I think a good strategy going forward is to make sure there are a variety of third party candidates on the ballot in all 50 states so that the reported protest vote will be as high as possible. I'd love to see the day when neither the democrat nor the republican candidate breaks 33% of the popular vote.

I also think who Bob Barr is played into that. He's nowhere near being a liberty candidate.

It's funny how Barr endorses Gingrich this time around. Could it be he was still really butthurt Ron didn't endorse him?

 

[sailingaway]

I also think who Bob Barr is played into that. He's nowhere near being a liberty candidate.

It's funny how Barr endorses Gingrich this time around. Could it be he was still really butthurt Ron didn't endorse him?

How many votes do you think he moved into Gingrich's column?

Barr is irrelevant to me.

 

[loveableteddybear]

I voted for Virgil Goode because of 1, abortion, and 2, I'm getting more conservative as I get older and realize that though libertarianism is a superior political philosophy, that all political philosophies must be constrained by the Constitution, or the power of the gov't becomes arbitrary and tyrannical.

 

[Confederate]

How many votes do you think he moved into Gingrich's column?

Barr is irrelevant to me.

Fixed.

 

[erowe1]

GJ having a strong showing would help promote the ideas of liberty his campaign was based on. Just like how the RP campaign did that despite not winning.

If the results of the election are supposed to promote the ideas of liberty, then the best result possible would have been to maximize the number of people voting for nobody.

GJ did have a very strong showing, easily as strong as any of his supporters would have been justified in expecting. But I still didn't see nearly as much reporting in the MSM about him as I did about the low voter turnout.

 

[erowe1]

GJ doesn't "favor" abortion. He signed a law outlawing 3rd trimester abortions in New Mexico.

I think GJ's approach to abortion could have turned out the same as RP's. But the thing is, GJ bent over backwards to sell himself as the pro-abortion, pro-gay, alternative to Ron Paul.

 

[acptulsa]

If the results of the election are supposed to promote the ideas of liberty, then the best result possible would have been to maximize the number of people voting for nobody.

GJ did have a very strong showing, easily as strong as any of his supporters would have been justified in expecting. But I still didn't see nearly as much reporting in the MSM about him as I did about the low voter turnout.

If the majority of people equated not voting with the struggle for liberty, or even a yearning for liberty, the MSM wouldn't report it.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Santorum would fit in well with the CP as they both favor heavy federal involvement in terms of marriage and the abolition of pornography and related adult industries.

 

[erowe1]

I voted for Virgil Goode because of 1, abortion, and 2, I'm getting more conservative as I get older and realize that though libertarianism is a superior political philosophy, that all political philosophies must be constrained by the Constitution, or the power of the gov't becomes arbitrary and tyrannical.

Isn't arrogating power to any group of people to write the Constitution that will constrain the policies of those who rule over some other group of people also arbitrary and tyrannical?