Why did we not support Gary Johnson last time?

[Sammy]

His position? it was an off the cuff remark about smoking as someone is blowing smoke in his face. Sorry but I am not going to holding him on that position. Also he qualified it with the idea that e cigs are a better alternative that regular cig which it is. Btw, that better alternative e cig is being attacked by the current admin with their roll out of regulatory decrees and fatwas against e cigs.

Also, Ron Paul is not perfect of close to it, remember when he went to the UN to enforce some copy right laws? I can name a few other reasons why a principled libertarian should stay away from Ron Paul. Regardless of his or Paul's flaws, it is evident that they were going to be a big improvement over what the R and D has to offer.

Ron Paul is right on issues than matter like war,spending,taxes,guns & the patriot act.
I disagree with ron slightly on Free Trade & on immigration.
But so what? Nobody is perfect!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Bake my damn cake supporter.

Take in Syrian refugees.

Remain in UN.

TPP supporter.

Some others off mine as well.

Yup, and as I recall, he was for open borders. Not to mention his running mate was a one-worlder globalist of the worst kind.

Gary advocated for Hillary in the end, also, as I recall.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Carbon emission tax, banning cigarettes, laws requiring the hiring of women and minorities. Just off the top of my head.

When Gary Johnson brought on Bill Weld as his running mate I felt like he had likely been compromised in some way.

Bake my damn cake supporter.

Take in Syrian refugees.

Remain in UN.

TPP supporter.

Some others off mine as well.

I supported him but there were 2 knocks against him:
1) Selected Bill Weld as VP in 2016 who comes from the same mold as Mitt Romney (Romney even said he was considered voting Libertarian in 2016 b/c Weld was on ticket)
2) Although generally anti-interventionist he stated he'd be open to "humanitarian" interventions such as if genocide was going on in another country

Video here. The "incendiary" section begins at about 4:20.

All of the above.

That being said, I voted for Johnson last time around. In my State, my vote doesn't count, so it's purely symbolic.

 

[shakey1]

Ron Paul is right on issues than matter like war,spending,taxes,guns & the patriot act.
I disagree with ron slightly on Free Trade & on immigration.
But so what? Nobody is perfect!

i'd give him a 9+.

 

[John-G]

Yup, and as I recall, he was for open borders. Not to mention his running mate was a one-worlder globalist of the worst kind.

Gary advocated for Hillary in the end, also, as I recall.

We all know how horrible human recollection is, can u please drop a link to support this recollection?

 

[dean.engelhardt]

There was NO chance he was ever going to be elected. Period. End stop.

I won't argue Johnson had a chance. I won't argue Jorgensen has a chance. I will argue the goal of the libertarian party getting 5% of the vote so they have automatic ballot access. They won't have to spend all their fund gaining ballot access, instead using it to promote issues. I will argue getting a third party in the debates so issues of liberty can be debated.

The next presidential debate will not have an advocate for lowering the national debt or bring the troops home. I accept it is inevitable, but it is still wrong.

 

[Working Poor]

Yup, and as I recall, he was for open borders. Not to mention his running mate was a one-worlder globalist of the worst kind.

Gary advocated for Hillary in the end, also, as I recall.

I heard it too but I am not going to search for the link. I had intended to vote for Johnson but while in the voting booth I realized votingg for him might get Hillary elected and I just did not want Hillary in. I did like Johnson's campaign ad though

 

[69360]

I did

 

[pmbug]

Johnson also had never heard of Aleppo.

This. "What is an Aleppo." sealed his fate with any potential undecided (on the fence) voter at the time from my experience. I had hopes that he might break 5% so the LP could get some rights/funding for the next election, but he flubbed it with that one interview. Total clownshow. From that moment on no one was giving him any attention.

 

[tfurrh]

Why did we not support Donald Trump since 4eva?

 

[dannno]

I voted for Gary Johnson.

The best reason not to vote for him and what I regret the most was his neocon running mate Bill Weld who told Gary Johnson supporters to vote for Hillary to keep Trump out of the White House.

The best reason to vote for him was his foreign policy. He outlined that pretty clearly on the Joe Rogan podcast I posted endlessly at the time.

 

[euphemia]

He’s not a libertarian. He had a financial conflict of interest. He ran to use his power to give government permission for the use of pot, but had a lot of ties to the industry. Krugminator2 gave an excellent analysis of this. Johnson would have brought the full force of government to make business owners violate deeply held religious convictions to serve preferred special interests, in addition Johnson would have gone to war over issues important to him, which he said, and he would have instituted new taxes for the environment.

That;s the euphemia condensed version.

 

[dannno]

Gary advocated for Hillary in the end, also, as I recall.

I think that was Bill Weld, I don't recall Gary Johnson advocating for Hillary but I could be wrong.

 

[familydog]

Two washed up Republican centrists running as Libertarians? And as soon as the election is over they will abandon the party? Sign me up!

 

[dean.engelhardt]

Two washed up Republican centrists running as Libertarians? And as soon as the election is over they will abandon the party? Sign me up!

We could use a lot more Republican centrists. The current Republican are spending us to death. Rand Paul might be the only Republican concerned about spending.

 

[jmdrake]

I supported him but there were 2 knocks against him:
1) Selected Bill Weld as VP in 2016 who comes from the same mold as Mitt Romney (Romney even said he was considered voting Libertarian in 2016 b/c Weld was on ticket)
2) Although generally anti-interventionist he stated he'd be open to "humanitarian" interventions such as if genocide was going on in another country

Thank you. The "humanitarian intervention" thing was what was brought up. And I finally found the damning video.



So...send in troops to stop Joseph Kony, but don't send in troops to stop Ghadaffi because Ghadaffi wasn't a threat. I think what Gary Johnson was trying to say is "If you have an evil rebel group and another country invites you in to help stop them then okay but don't overthrow governments." In truth Ghadaffi was fighting an evil rebel group (ISIS), and we intervened on the side of ISIS.

https://www.charismanews.com/world/...s-and-terrorist-attacks-just-before-his-death

Back to the question of intervening to stop genocide, when we did not intervene in Rwanda, in the short term that was disastorous but in the long term things worked out of the best. The targets of the genocide won the civil war and Rwanda is a relatively peaceful and prosperous nation. I still have mixed feelings about that though.

 

[RJ Liberty]

I voted for Gary in 2016, and voters in nine states (New Mexico, North Dakota, Alaska, Oklahoma, Montana, South Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, and Maine) put him over the 5% threshold, guaranteeing Libertarian Party access in several states that would otherwise not have it in 2020. That alone was a pretty cool victory.

 

[familydog]

We could use a lot more Republican centrists. The current Republican are spending us to death. Rand Paul might be the only Republican concerned about spending.

Rand being concerned about spending is precisely why he is not a centrist. A centrist has no principles.

 

[emazur]

It Bill Weld who vouched for Hillary Clinton regarding an FBI probe, not Gary Johnson:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/bill-weld-rachel-maddow/index.html

"I'm here vouching for Mrs. Clinton, and I think it's high time somebody did," Weld said.

Asked about a campaign press release sent in the wake of the FBI announcement that was critical of Clinton, Weld said: "Gary and I have not agreed on a number of substantive issues in this campaign ... I do not agree with that release."

 

[Mach]

Yup, and as I recall, he was for open borders. Not to mention his running mate was a one-worlder globalist of the worst kind.

Gary advocated for Hillary in the end, also, as I recall.

Yes, Open Borders..... "we bear a responsibility for taking our share" (refugees)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N67QhrYbTlo