Herman Cain Why conservatives must oppose Herman Cain

[Agorism]

Tom Woods considers the shortcomings of GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain, who has been described as a "Tea Party favorite."

 

[jasonxe]

so talking to cain supporters in this this thread. The responses I got.

I posted the link, Lesgovt said the source isn't reputable and won't read it. So I put the points on the board

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...dential-straw-poll-rick-perry-2nd-read-5.html

What are your thoughts about Hermain Cain:

1- Against Congress Auditing the Federal Reserve.
2- Former Federal Reserve Chairman
2- Supported Tarp
3- Was involved in illegal actions when on the Aquila Board of Directors defrauding millions of dollars in stock from the Aquila shareholders.
4- Admits his own Economic Recovery plan can't work
5- "I think that the PATRIOT Act is about 90 percent right on."
6- Supported Mitt Rommey in 2008. (Yes, this is bad if you checked Mitt in 08) (Was based solely on business experience....) :3
7- Has No Plan for Afghanistan till he gets into office / Supportive of Afghan War
8- Supported Iraq War (opposes any timetable for withdrawal, arguing it to be equivalent to surrender.)
9- (Depends on your views) Against legalizing Same-sex marriage, Supports Defense of Marriage Act.
10- 9/9/9 = sale tax would skyrocket

1 - Can you list the # of times the Federal Reserve has been audited?
2 - That's an appointed job. Not sure about the significance of it.
2 - He supported TARP before he found out how they were going to implement it.
3 - Let us know when the trial begins.
4 - No big deal. Had to do with timing.
5 - He is probably correct. The percentage might be only 89%, but 90% is close enough.
6 - I would have preferred Romney over McCain.
7 - He want to speak to the generals first. That's fine with me.
8 - Okay.
9 - Cool.
10 - It will go up, but income taxes come down.

Wow! I think we need to take Cain to the gallows and hang him for such things as shown by someone biased against Cain. Hang 'Em High!

1- the Federal Reserve determines how and to what degree it can be audited. They never been "fully" audited even by Deloitte and other private organizations.
2- Won't audit the fed. "Since its inception in 1913, the Federal Reserve has helped to devalue our dollar by 95%. During the recent economic crisis, it has poured trillions of dollars into the economy with no oversight, made secret agreements with foreign banks and governments, and has refused to tell Congress who is getting the money or to give it the details of what deals are being made.". To not have a full audit over a organization who has control over our monetary policy is asking for trouble. There QE into our economy has only made things significantly worst as we're headed into a double dip recession.
3- He didn't like it because it picked "winner and losers" but still supported the bail outs nonetheless.
4- It's just 5 lawsuits so it's just about settling on money. More-so the actions should be taken into consideration.
5 ehhh... I think his only economic plan is the 9/9/9 plan or from what I've google. Doesn't sound too promising unless someone can find something else recently.
6- 4th Amendment. Although since you & Cain think the Patroit act is most part great, then k. Funny since Cain is such a advocate for the Constitution. Also life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness & abolishing govt is the Declaration of Independence.
7- Ditto if i was choosing between the lesser of two evils. Both practically agreed on the same things in 2008 except for technicalities here & there. It was like voting for different colors of the same car.
8- And he'll follow the generals advice gun ho. We need a commander & chief to rein in our militarism Day 1. Betting on luck that he'll change it isn't promising but him saying no timetable in iraq = surrender is a pretty much guarantee that it's status quo.
9 - k.
10- Isn't the rich money doled up in capital gains and property gains, not income?

To put this in simpler terms, if I you owned a slice of bread, and I took 10% of that slice of bread, you might go hungry, but if another person owned a warehouse of bread and I took 10% of that warehouse, they're not going to be pressured as badly.

How does this work out for the middle class and poor?

Bias against him? No (although i do like to poke), I'm just merely asking questions looking to see if supporters care about these issues or not. I'm not telling you that you shouldn't vote for him but looking for supporters thoughts about these issues. If you're fine with it...then you're fine with it :-D



I'm not interested in discussing the site rep since that is irrelevant. Like I said, I'm looking for Cain's supporters thoughts about these issues posted on the site and a rebuttal to them. Your 2nd response is what I was initially looking for after posting those issues on the site to here.

then it went on how i was mudslinging Cain for awhile...

First and foremost, Federal Reserve Chairman is an appointed position. Also, The Federal Reserve was not the monstrosity in 1992 like it is now.

He says that he doesn't want to waste money on auditing the federal reserve because it already audits itself. When he's talking about Ron Paul he is encouraging the idea that the federal reserve should be audited by something other than itself, like it is now. Not really a flip flop.

He adds a new tax with the 9-9-9 plan while drastically lowering the tax that is paid now, also whoever the guy is writing this article destroys his credibility with the 666 thing which is probably why the link was ignored by the posters in the forum in the first place.

He supported the idea of TARP, but not the way it was handled or distributed.

He served on a Board of Directors. That doesn't mean he "steered" anything. He was one of many opinions and even the linked article is only the opinons of a lawyer behind a lawsuit that went nowhere.

Crappy editting. I saw the actual video in which he provided a plan to the problems then. The same plan won't work now, because the problems are different.

He supported Romney because of his business record.

His plan for Afghanistan is to take what the Generals have to say into account, unlike the pres now, and make decisions based on what they say.

He said he supported 90% of what's in the Patriot Act. Which most politicians do.

There it has been addressed and been proven irrelevant or wrong. Move on.

they basically chest bump each other and what not.

 

[georgiaboy]

Looks like these guys are fine with militarism, bailouts, QEforever, taxes, and the size of our current gov't, as long as they have a pragmatic CEO and his advisors telling them it's the best thing to do. Wonder if they've ever heard of the US Constitution or conservatism.

 

[Ron Paul 2012]

He is still better than Obama right?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

He is still better than Obama right?

No.

 

[banks11]

He is still better than Obama right?

Hum theoretically, maybe.Practically maybe not.
Somebody who is only a little better might just put people back to sleep with the false impression things are ok...