Why are the Bolsheviks pushing for felon's voting restoration?

[Anti Federalist]

Yup..
and for clarification,, I am not for voting rights while in Prison under conviction..
Pre conviction,,, awaiting trial. (assumed Innocent) They should be able to vote..

and at the end of sentence.. and I am in Favor of FULL Restoration of Rights on completion.. and that doesn't happen.

It's my understanding, unless I'm reading something wrong, that is what Sanders and the other assorted Bolshies are in favor of.

Voting privileges for currently incarcerated people.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You shouldn't be allowed to use the Government to Steal From Me.

but there you are.

I don't, but if you are so committed to anarchy then why do you want anyone to vote?

You just want to create chaos out of the misguided belief that something better than we have can arise from the ashes, or maybe you just want to create chaos:

Originally Posted by pcosmar

Looking forward to watching it BURN.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's my understanding, unless I'm reading something wrong, that is what Sanders and the other assorted Bolshies are in favor of.

Voting privileges for currently incarcerated people.

YES, that is EXACTLY what they are proposing.

 

[pcosmar]

https://www.prisonfellowship.org/2016/07/70-baptized-missouri-prison/#

https://www.innocenceproject.org/

Capitalizing on Mass Incarceration: U.S. Growth in Private Prisons
https://www.sentencingproject.org/p...-incarceration-u-s-growth-in-private-prisons/

 

[pcosmar]

I don't, but if you are so committed to anarchy then why do you want anyone to vote?

I am Not committed to Anarchy. I am Committed to God.

and yes,, I am patiently waiting for Judgement..

To watch this corrupted mess BURN. because He promised it would not be a Flood next time.

 

[Suzanimal]

Not everyone has committed a real crime, those in prison for committing real crimes have, since they have demonstrated criminal tendencies it is no surprise that they vote for criminal government policies to do their stealing for them, allowing them to vote gives more power to the most criminal politicians to steal from everyone.

Why should criminals be allowed to vote to use government to steal from me?

What you advocate leads to an increase in government theft.

Why should anyone be allowed to use the government to steal from me?

Since felons haven't been voting I can't say what they're going to do BUT I can reasonably guess the vast majority of "honest" folk have no problem stealing from me.

Not everyone has committed a real crime, those in prison for committing real crimes have

You sure about that? I'm fairly certain there are a lot of people voting who deserve to be in prison, a lot in prison who don't deserve to be there, and a lot who commit crimes every day and are blissfully unaware they are criminals.

Why should criminals be allowed to vote to use government to steal from me?

How do you know that's how they're going to vote? I imagine most would vote to legalize weed and that alone would be a huge savings to taxpayers.

 

[Anti Federalist]

How do you know that's how they're going to vote? I imagine most would vote to legalize weed and that alone would be a huge savings to taxpayers.

That's why I started the thread.

There isn't much data out there, but what I could find indicates that ex-felons would overwhelmingly vote leftist.

The Bolsheviks are doing this not because of a love for freedom.

It's another solid voting bloc for them.

That's all.

If the jails were full of fatwa nose thumbers like Martin Winterkorn, the Bolshies would let them rot, with nary a thought.

 

[Suzanimal]

That's why I started the thread.

There isn't much data out there, but what I could find indicates that ex-felons would overwhelmingly vote leftist.

The Bolsheviks are doing this not because of a love for freedom.

It's another solid voting bloc for them.

That's all.

If the jails were full of fatwa nose thumbers like Martin Winterkorn, the Bolshies would let them rot, with nary a thought.

Out of curiosity, do you recall if the stats consider legalizing weed leftist?

If the jails were full of fatwa nose thumbers like Martin Winterkorn, the Bolshies would let them rot, with nary a thought.

Irwin Schiff (RIP) came to mind when I saw this thread.

 

[RonZeplin]

Criminal voters using gov to steal from me - socialist swine

Then maybe you can answer my question:

How is it the right thing to do to allow criminals to use government to steal from me?

The vast majority of voters are criminals at large who haven't been apprehended and convicted yet. Yet you want to deprive some innocent folks who were railroaded into jail from voting.

For shame!

 

[dillo]

Question, Why is it constitutionally valid in your eyes to ban a felon from exercising their 2nd amendment right? Does being a felon forfeit you from any other rights legally and what constitutional justification do you use to prevent a felon from being tortured, or not given a trial?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why should anyone be allowed to use the government to steal from me?

Nobody should, that is why if we can eliminate people from the voter pool who will do so more than others we should.

Since felons haven't been voting I can't say what they're going to do

Well it has been studied how they vote when they are allowed to vote and they vote for more government theft at higher rates than other people and there is a logical explanation why.

BUT I can reasonably guess the vast majority of "honest" folk have no problem stealing from me.

Then why would you want to give them reinforcements?

You sure about that? I'm fairly certain there are a lot of people voting who deserve to be in prison, a lot in prison who don't deserve to be there, and a lot who commit crimes every day and are blissfully unaware they are criminals.

I said REAL crimes and the percent of people out of prison who belong there is much smaller than the percent of those in prison who should be there.

How do you know that's how they're going to vote? I imagine most would vote to legalize weed and that alone would be a huge savings to taxpayers.

Because of how they vote in every state that allows them to and because it fits with their criminal tendencies.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Question, Why is it constitutionally valid in your eyes to ban a felon from exercising their 2nd amendment right? Does being a felon forfeit you from any other rights legally and what constitutional justification do you use to prevent a felon from being tortured, or not given a trial?

It is not Constitutionally valid to deny felons their 2ndA rights.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The vast majority of voters are criminals at large who haven't been apprehended and convicted yet. Yet you want to deprive some innocent folks who were railroaded into jail from voting.

For shame!

Nonsense.

Peddle your lies elsewhere.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The vast majority of voters are criminals at large who haven't been apprehended and convicted yet. Yet you want to deprive some innocent folks who were railroaded into jail from voting.

For shame!

It's also irrelevant, felons vote for bigger government and since the proper role of government is to protect rights and not to violate them then felons should not be allowed to vote.

You want to allow people to increase the size of government.

FOR SHAME!

 

[Swordsmyth]

Out of curiosity, do you recall if the stats consider legalizing weed leftist?

The right is becoming more open to it.

If you could live in a communist country with legal weed or a country that faithfully followed the Bill of Rights and the other Constitutional restrictions on government except weed was illegal which would you choose?

Irwin Schiff (RIP) came to mind when I saw this thread.

He is not a representative of any significant portion of felons.

 

[RonZeplin]

FUBAR justice - fake

Nonsense.

Peddle your lies elsewhere.

You're lying because you can't handle the truth. Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Studies show that the average American commits several felonies a day. OTOH many are released from prison because of bogus convictions that are overturned, or they are pardoned if they have connections. Them's the facts.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You're lying because you can't handle the truth.

Studies show that the average American commits several felonies a day. OTOH many are released from prison because of bogus convictions that are overturned, or they are pardoned if they have connections. Them's the facts.

The fact is that you are exaggerating true facts and advocating for people who want bigger government to do their stealing for them to be allowed to vote.
You are also misrepresenting my position, I have repeatedly stated that those who were falsely convicted or who were convicted of fake crimes should be released and allowed to vote but most people who are in prison belong there and are not fit to vote. They most certainly should not be allowed to vote while they are being punished for their crimes.

You are making an argument that is just as logical as recommending that a broken toe be amputated because the amputation wound will heal faster than the bone.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Out of curiosity, do you recall if the stats consider legalizing weed leftist?

Nah, haven't seen anything that broke it down that closely.

Irwin Schiff (RIP) came to mind when I saw this thread.

Or Ed and Elaine Brown.

Or Bernard von NotHaus.

If the jails were full of folks like that, yeah, the Bolshies would have nothing to do with them.

Just to make clear: I'm not opposed to convicts who have served their time having all protected, natural, rights restored.

Because liberty and freedom is held in such disdain by so many people, I'm opposed to anything that makes voting easier for anybody.

 

[donnay]

...And if we think the voting is rigged (as I believe it is) this would only put that tally over the top to help hide their cheating.

People in prison can be coerced very easily. "You want to get out for good behavior? You vote the way the warden wants you too." The warden will be paid handsomely for his troubles.

 

[devil21]

My guess is a federal power grab. Felon voting law is a state issue currently. If somehow it can be turned into a federal law then the states just lost their ability to decide it.