Why are Ron Paul Supporters failing victim to propaganda.

[ProBlue33]

Seriously people, here are some things you need to look at before you take your liberty ball and go home.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R



This is just starting, if we get raped, as in stripped of delegates in the caucus states at state conventions, then and only then will it be over.

Too desperate to win a state RIGHT NOW, states that we might take when the state conventions happen.
With so few delegates separating the winners, it could easily happen.

So stop listening to the very propaganda you have been condemning since 2007.

 

[1836]

+rep

So proud that our forum members are, by and large, not losing hope. We have to remind people how far we have come and that we cannot cede the ground we have gained. This is the beginning of a long, long fight to retake our country and restore the Constitution, and our God-given natural rights. We have not yet begun to fight!

 

[jamezelle]

I know right!! +rep

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Well, it's a matter of keeping perspective pulled back far enough to see the big picture of a growing movement behind a message- not a single man.

It's also a matter of not getting ones ego tied up into this. For those that do, the losses are naturally devastating to them.

It's understandable for people to be dissapointed. Let them have their cry. They'll be over it within the week.

For those who are awake to what is going on, there is no where else to go but to apathy. It's being a part of this movement or that. Few will choose apathy at the end of the day.

 

[ProBlue33]

And nobody should feel bad when we game the system with delegates because of being so badly screwed on the front in end of this process.
Ever see a sports team losing at the start of game only to win it at the very end of the game, it has happened many times.

My favorite American one is this, and remember they were losing, only to win in the end.

 

[JoshS]

Losing cost us millions in donations and momentum like we've never had.

 

[69360]

Those state conventions happen after the big later winner take all states vote. With no momentum and dismal polling in winner take all states, winning all the delegates in the caucus states doesn't really matter.

 

[ProBlue33]

Losing cost us millions in donations and momentum like we've never had.

As in sports the first to score always gets the momentum true, but it's like we are just in the first period of a hockey game.

 

[wgadget]

Losing cost us millions in donations and momentum like we've never had.

When life gives you lemons...make lemonade.

It's always possible that Ron being SCREWED AGAIN by the GOP will INCREASE his donations...Especially to the NO ONE BUT PAUL moneybomb. Remember BLACK THIS OUT?

It actually helps that the story is already on Drudge.

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Losing cost us millions in donations and momentum like we've never had.

If we never had it, then how could we have lost it?

False expectations can cause a lot of suffering young grasshopper.

This movement doesn't have something until it has it.

Proceed forward with that understanding, drop the expectations and it will get easier to continue helping to spread the message and wake america up.

 

[hammy]

YES! Thank you for saying this. We are WINNING. QUIT SULKING! I am SO EXCITED! Let's do this!

 

[JoshS]

If we never had it, then how could we have lost it?

False expectations can cause a lot of suffering young grasshopper.

This movement doesn't have something until it has it.

Proceed forward with that understanding, drop the expectations and it will get easier to continue helping to spread the message and wake america up.

*remembers hearing this in '08*

 

[ProBlue33]

Glass half full, or half empty at this point.

Choose your perspective.

I say half full.
In fact we just won Iowa if you follow the news.

 

[mport1]

Losing cost us millions in donations and momentum like we've never had.

Exactly. Delegates are great, but and we would get many more of them and if we got higher vote totals and some wins.

 

[cilution]

When life gives you lemons...make lemonade.

"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back. Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these?! Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give CAVE JOHNSON LEMONS! DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?! I'M THE MAN WHO'S GONNA BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN! WITH THE LEMONS! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that's gonna BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!"

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

*remembers hearing this in '08*

And whoever said it was right. More then twice the people are behind Paul and the message now then then. Progress continues to be made. Of course, it is not happening as fast as many of us would like it too. We are pushing up against one hell of a force to be reakened with though. Give us all some credit for the increases already. This movement may be what saves the U. S. in 2020 or something, who knows.

And like I said, where else are you going to go with your frustrations about how things in this country are being run now? Apathy is the only other place to turn too. Can you go there?

 

[Cabal]

Spin it any way you like, we really did need this win, as superficial as it may be.

We needed it for the money, we needed it for the face, we needed it for the rhetoric. It's all over MSM that RP was campaigning hard in Maine where hardly anyone else was--Romney only jumping in at the tail-end. Moreover, the MSM narrative is depicting Maine as a libertarian-leaning state. And now that we did put time/resources in there and we still couldn't win, the question of viability and electability is given that much more attention. We may do well with delegates in Maine, but that's not going to generate fundraising numbers that we need, and that's not going to be reported--the MSM will continue to report their theoretical delegate projections, of which Paul is currently ranked last.

We did do well, and nearly tied for first place, which is a solid improvement. Truth be told, Santorum/Gingrich probably stole votes away that would have otherwise put us over the top, I suspect. On top of this we did abysmal at CPAC, which may certainly be inconsequential, but again it all plays into the narrative that will be used.

As it stands we're still the only candidate without a beauty-contest victory, and that's what everyone will hear about alongside the projected delegate count. We need to get real and get a win under our belts soon, no matter how superficial it may be; unfortunately it sounds like Maine was our best chance, at least for the moment. Bear in mind our delegates are not set in stone yet, they still have to get through conventions before they arrive at the home stretch--and we're still going to need more delegates than what these caucus states provide, as well.

 

[JK/SEA]

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[Cortes]

Spin it any way you like, we really did need this win, as superficial as it may be.

We needed it for the money, we needed it for the face, we needed it for the rhetoric. It's all over MSM that RP was campaigning hard in Maine where hardly anyone else was--Romney only jumping in at the tail-end. Moreover, the MSM narrative is depicting Maine as a libertarian-leaning state. And now that we did put time/resources in there and we still couldn't win, the question of viability and electability is given that much more attention. We may do well with delegates in Maine, but that's not going to generate fundraising numbers that we need, and that's not going to be reported--the MSM will continue to report their theoretical delegate projections, of which Paul is currently ranked last.

We did do well, and nearly tied for first place, which is a solid improvement. Truth be told, Santorum/Gingrich probably stole votes away that would have otherwise put us over the top, I suspect. On top of this we did abysmal at CPAC, which may certainly be inconsequential, but again it all plays into the narrative that will be used.

As it stands we're still the only candidate without a beauty-contest victory, and that's what everyone will hear about alongside the projected delegate count. We need to get real and get a win under our belts soon, no matter how superficial it may be; unfortunately it sounds like Maine was our best chance, at least for the moment. Bear in mind our delegates are not set in stone yet, they still have to get through conventions before they arrive at the home stretch--and we're still going to need more delegates than what these caucus states provide, as well.

I would bet you my entire family that if it were possible to see some alternate reality where Paul had that 200 vote lead instead of Romney, the media narrative would be exactly the same.

Worrying about media spin's effect is like worrying that one day the sun will rise sideways. Vote gains will forever be, and only be, made in spite of them as long as liberty minded candidates are running for office.

 

[Cabal]

I would bet you my entire family that if it were possible to see some alternate reality where Paul had that 200 vote lead instead of Romney, the media narrative would be exactly the same.

Worrying about media spin's effect is like worrying that one day the sun will rise sideways. Vote gains will forever be, and only be, made in spite of them as long as liberty minded candidates are running for office.

Maybe, maybe not. That wasn't really the point though.