Why all the negativity on the SC debate?

I think he dropped the ball on the foreign policy and I'm quite disappointed that they didn't ask him about the economy/deficit. I think it would be a good debate against Obama and swaying some independents and even some liberals on his foreign policy. But the problem is that it is a Republican primary debate. I don't want him to change his mind or his stance, I would just like him to be a little more political and maybe at least take his audience into consideration when he answers.
 
Tonight was like watching WWE. Everything was scripted to go a certain way. Shifty podium placement, blacking out RP once again with few questions, and those questions were completely hit propoganda. Bought and paid for audience members booing the most logical statements and cheering for Fox News chosen one The Grinch. It was just a clown show from start to finish.

Ron said the exact same things he always does and did draw quite a few cheers throughout. He wasn't speaking very well, so that is definitely a negative, but the whole night was a fail. Watch Gingrich skyrocket now.
The crowd was not only booing Paul, but cheering Gingrich and Santorum for meaningless statements. Someone here made a speculative comment that mics were placed near a section of the crowd that may have been a Fox news plant, but search is disabled on this board now so I can't find it.

The negativity of the crowd towards Dr. Paul may be affecting people's perception.
 
It was embarrassing...for South Carolina. A moderator says the word 'mexican' and several of the crowd boos...Ron Paul mentions the golden rule and they're all like 'fuck that...go America...yeeeeer!' I'm surprised nobody is talking about Santorum, when he said that the issue of voting rights for former felons was a "huge deal in the African American" community...really now Santorum, what exactly are you infering?
 
The negativity of the crowd towards Dr. Paul may be affecting people's perception.

The booing doesn't bother me. In fact, my first exposure to Paul was in a televised debate in which he was either booed or sneered at by the moderates or other candidates. I've seen enough of his debates, however, to know that this wasn't one of his best. That's OK. The rest of them will be back on their heels unprepared for Paul's punches at the next one!
 
Ron was great! The audience and debate moderators for the most part sucked, but Ron was great as always!
 
Let's be honest. He was doing fine but the Bin Laden answer was awful. Not because of his point but his delivery. He played I into the typical Republican stereotype and the crowd jumped on it when he started to ramble.

I love the guy but that question was coming from a mile away and I don't think he could have done worse. He should have simply said we shouldn't have violated their sovereignty unless it was clear they were hostile to us. As President if the government of Pakistsn was hostile towards us then would have absolutely gone after Bin Laden.

Unfortunely that answer probably puts us in a fight for 3rd instead of a fight for 2nd.
 
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I'm really sick of these people on here that can't admit when Ron didn't have a good night. They get so defensive and then they claim you're not a true supporter if you criticize a performance. You people should be ashamed of yourselves, that is the same tactics that led to the patriot act. If you don't like it you are not a patriot. If you don't like Ron Paul's debate tonight than you aren't a true Ron Paul supporter. Geez us crackers you people make me sick some times. Live in reality he was rambling on issues he should've been knocking out of the park. He had so much time to rest and be ready for this and I'm just disappointed he didn't bring his A game.

Yes the audience was rigged with Newt people who booed, I know that and I don't care. All I'm saying and most people with negative views of how Ron did was that he didn't do well on making his points. He just seemed rattled and agitated from the get go and didn't calm down til the half way mark. My biggest beef was that he finally had a softball question sent to him about minorities and the judicial system and he dropped the ball on it. That was his first softball question of any debate. And I'm just talking about tonight, so stop being blind cheerleaders and have a logical discussion.
 
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Well said. Constructive criticism versus negativity and thrashing. +rep
Please don't suck up to me. :rolleyes: You're one of the people who thinks Ron Paul "got owned" during the debate. You are consistently one of the most negative posters here. You may not be as blunt as some, but you spread poison just as much from what I've seen.


To be honest I think he did [got owned]. He started talking about tort law being a state's issue, rather than how great his pro-gun record is. This redneck crowd will NOT understand tort law being a state issue RATHER than being a national issue.
 
Let's be honest. He was doing fine but the Bin Laden answer was awful. Not because of his point but his delivery. He played I into the typical Republican stereotype and the crowd jumped on it when he started to ramble.

Ron never did answer the "international law" question directly, so it was fair for Baier to bring it up a second time. Afterwards, it was unfair of Baier to give everyone else a shot at Ron.
 
Ron never did answer the "international law" question directly, so it was fair for Baier to bring it up a second time. Afterwards, it was unfair of Baier to give everyone else a shot at Ron.
It's Fox News and a Presidential debate. If we're going to expect Romney to stand up to obvious questions regarding Bain and his taxes we need Ron to be able to hammer questions on the newsletters and the Bin Laden/sovereignty question.

That on top of the total softballs that he was given regarding the drug war and 2nd Amendment I can't see how anyone walks away from this feeling good.
 
The one really good thing about the debate was that Romney got his butt kicked. I just wish Ron was part of that butt kicking tonight.
 
This wasn't Ron Paul's best performance. On the other hand, it wasn't bad either. People are definitely overreacting. Also worth noting that he did well in the twitter performance thing, though that doesn't necessarily translate to votes. Romney didn't do well and was in the red most of the night, which is good.

Ron fumbled the Osama question...his answer made sense, but he stuttered and jumped around too much, and ultimately it got hard to follow. All he needed to do was shorten it and say "Yes, we should have gotten Osama, but should have followed the proper procedures to respect the sovereignty of the Pakistan, just like we would expect were the situation reversed".

The Golden Rule thing confused me a little bit. He said that we should treat other countries more like we want to be treated and got booed, as if the crowd wanted more wars, and then just after that said that we needed to end these wars and not go to war with Iran and they cheered. Seems like those two sentiments were at odds with each other.

Aside from that, most of his answers got cheers. One was very silent (I think it was the racial question), but then some clapping came just as they moved on to the next question. Overall, I'd say more positive than negative - and that was with loaded questions and not getting as much mic time. He sure was fighting to get to finish though, so kudos to him for that.

Ultimately, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did play some tricks for the crowds reactions. During the last primaries they played a lot of dirty tricks on Paul like having "audience reactions" where they ripped Ron Paul, but then those people were exposed as paid panelists and whatnot later. Make no mistake, we are not in a fair fight.
 
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He needs to do better on Thursday. Let's focus on the state sen. endorsements and the new TV ad they just put out til then.

Ron's "defense" vs. "militarism" answer was awesome tonight. Perhaps his best debate moment yet.

But it kinda seems to me that he needs magnitudes more debate prep than he's been doing.
 
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Robert Murphy just posted the 56 second segment where Ron Paul was booed for advocating a "Golden Rule" foreign policy. Maybe it's just me, but the cheers at the end of his statement (when he argued for not starting a war with Iran, and ending the wars we are in, and bringing the troops home) sounded louder than the boos.

Ron Paul didn't get flustered too badly, either, it seemed to me. I would have gone red with rage and started shouting back.
 
And could it not be that Ron Paul was using linguistic judo? I mean, people saying "boo" to the Golden Rule; who comes off looking worse in that exchange?
 
Lots of people overreacting tonight. Ron Paul was Ron Paul tonight. Same as every debate.

I turned it off after the OBL crap. I agree with Ron Paul on the issue, but I think that just killed any chances of him winning South Carolina. I was especially annoyed with Bret for interrupting Ron's answer. Most of these dummies voting in the primary believe America has the moral right to go anywhere anytime to kill her enemies and screw the consequences. They're like children in that they don't think ahead and that actions have consequences.

The booing over Ron's statement of Christ's Golden Rule just made my blood boil with rage. The ignorance they show is insulting to any thoughtful good person.
 
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And could it not be that Ron Paul was using linguistic judo? I mean, people saying "boo" to the Golden Rule; who comes off looking worse in that exchange?

Good point. Another thing I've noticed is that many of these things that seem bad at the time look and sound very different when the press writes about them in the ensuing days. Plus sometimes something stammered awkwardly through in a debate looks beautiful and eloquent in print.
 
Paul doesn't need to wow the press or the crowd. He just needs to say what needs to be said to reinforce the word that all his fans are spreading. We are his real mouthpiece.

Even on an off night he ate his opponents' lunch. I converted my mother to Paulism tonight, something I thought would take far far longer than it did. She was impressed by his profession (OB/GYN) and his military background, as well as his integrity.
 
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