Who's responsible for the RP 4 Prez 2012 freeway billboard in Las Vegas?

[sailingaway]

This post is pretty off-topic considering that there was no discussion in this thread about the cost efficiency of said billboard prior to your post. I understand that you're really adamant about your position on billboards/signs, but perhaps you could direct it a bit better.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

 

[CasualApathy]

Time and money could be better spent elsewhere more effectively.

There is being cost-effective, and then there is being awesome. We can manage both I think

 

[Paul4Prez]

Billboards > blimps.

Who has a big red barn along a major highway they can paint with "Ron Paul 2012" for free? Post the pic!

 

[Matt Collins]

Apparently we have different view points on this, there are lots of angry anti-war democrats who would vote in republican primaries if Obama runs unopposed. We have a better chance this time than last election.

First of all most states are closed-primary. Getting people to switch parties is unlikely.

Secondly the only people that matter for electoral victory are likely Republican primary voters (or caucus goers in the state of NV). That's where our focus should be if we aim to achieve electoral victory. If we are going to win a Republican nomination then we must go after Republicans.

 

[Matt Collins]

This is true, but how else would a group spend their limited funds? Not everyone can do the most effective campaigning which is going door to door.

Direct mail? Printing up slim-jims / flyers? Door-to-door is essentially free.
They could use that money to recruit people into the CFL.

On Matt Collins point about billboards, one key to campaigning is not to enrage the opposition. If a thousand die hard Romney supporters see it, they might all be motivated to head to the polls, not check out RP's message.

Very true.

 

[Matt Collins]

If Romney runs he's going to win Nevada, it doesn't matter how much the campaign spends. If you deny this you don't understand the voter makeup of Nevada.

Don't bet on it this time around. A lot of things have changed in the NV GOP since 2008.

 

[sailingaway]

First of all most states are closed-primary. Getting people to switch parties is unlikely.

Secondly the only people that matter for electoral victory are likely Republican primary voters (or caucus goers in the state of NV). That's where our focus should be if we aim to achieve electoral victory. If we are going to win a Republican nomination then we must go after Republicans.

Matt, you have a major bias on this point, imho.

MY point is that I'm sure as hell not a 'likely caucus goer' in the GOP primaries......UNLESS someone extraordinary like Ron is there. We have a UNIQUE candidate profile, of someone whose most fervent supporters are apathetic towards the rest of the GOP process, at best, and many need to change registration. YES we need to get those who will be there regardless of who the candidate is to open their minds to Ron, but we also need to get the attention of those who would sleep through the election, much less the registration cut off, if they didn't know Ron was running, or who Ron is.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but if this charges people up to get into the campaign, why come down on it so hard, even if you personally would spend the money differently, if it were your money, which it isn't?

 

[Miles Dunn]

I do not recall seeing that billboard between Las Vegas and LA up anymore, did not notice it driving through last week anyways. I noticed 2 other signs falling apart that had the Ron Paul Revolution on it though in that area.

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt, you have a major bias on this point, imho.

MY point is that I'm sure as hell not a 'likely caucus goer' in the GOP primaries......UNLESS someone extraordinary like Ron is there. We have a UNIQUE candidate profile, of someone whose most fervent supporters are apathetic towards the rest of the GOP process, at best, and many need to change registration. YES we need to get those who will be there regardless of who the candidate is to open their minds to Ron, but we also need to get the attention of those who would sleep through the election, much less the registration cut off, if they didn't know Ron was running, or who Ron is.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but if this charges people up to get into the campaign, why come down on it so hard, even if you personally would spend the money differently, if it were your money, which it isn't?

Because there are not enough individuals like yourself to achieve electoral victory. Which is why our focus must be on the core likely Republican voters / caucus goers.

 

[sailingaway]

Because there are not enough individuals like yourself to achieve electoral victory.

How do you know? How many studies on this have been done WITH A CANDIDATE LIKE RON?

Something like 40% of our eligible voters in this country don't vote. Why?

 

[speciallyblend]

First of all most states are closed-primary. Getting people to switch parties is unlikely.

Secondly the only people that matter for electoral victory are likely Republican primary voters (or caucus goers in the state of NV). That's where our focus should be if we aim to achieve electoral victory. If we are going to win a Republican nomination then we must go after Republicans.

so let's say ron paul is not nominated and the gop runs a neo-con or gop establishment candidate? what is the back up plan?? play ps3? or vote 3rd party? the gop has got to understand we will not vote for a gop establishment or neo-con.

 

[Matt Collins]

so let's say ron paul is not nominated and the gop runs a neo-con or gop establishment candidate? what is the back up plan?? play ps3? or vote 3rd party? the gop has got to understand we will not vote for a gop establishment or neo-con.

The idea is to get Rand to be the VP nominee. If that doesn't work (and the GOP loses) then we simply run Rand for President when it's an open seat in 2016.

 

[Matt Collins]

How do you know? How many studies on this have been done WITH A CANDIDATE LIKE RON?

How many local Republican Party meetings have you attended recently?

Something like 40% of our eligible voters in this country don't vote. Why?

For an electoral strategy, who cares? The only people we care about regarding the goal of electoral victory are the people that are likely to vote in the Republican primary / caucus.

 

[Jeremy]

Enough with the "rEVOLution" stuff. Potential voters don't know what that means.

 

[Dave Aiello]

The idea is to get Rand to be the VP nominee. If that doesn't work (and the GOP loses) then we simply run Rand for President when it's an open seat in 2016.

I have serious doubts that Rand would accept the vice presidency. I do think that he would be a smart pick for a guy like Romney with little tea party support.

 

[sailingaway]

How many local Republican Party meetings have you attended recently?

For an electoral strategy, who cares? The only people we care about regarding the goal of electoral victory are the people that are likely to vote in the Republican primary / caucus.

What I am trying to suggest is that since before I found out about Ron I wasn't the slightest bit involved, others out there who aren't interested in the least on wasting extra time on primaries to pick Romney over Huckabee, because they think neither is worth crossing the street for, might be galvanized for Ron. He cures apathy. But only if we get the people's attention. You are using conventional thinking for an unconventional candidate. I know all the other stuff has to be done. What I disagree with you about is I think the unconventional stuff could have better returns with Ron than with other candidates. People at the Republican meetings except other Ron Paul supporters aren't people Ron Paul supporters would usually be spending time with in committees, because the other candidates are generally of poor quality. That isn't where I think you'd find the motherlode for Ron Paul support, although, since those people will definitely be voting in the primaries, we also have to try to persuade them.

 

[Matt Collins]

You are using conventional thinking for an unconventional candidate.

They call it political science for a reason. The fundamentals of economics hold true regardless of what country you are in. The science of winning a campaign holds true regardless of the candidate.

What I disagree with you about is I think the unconventional stuff could have better returns with Ron than with other candidates.

But those people by and large don't vote. And if they do vote, it isn't usually in a Republican primary. We must go after the low hanging fruit first, which means likely Republican voters.

We did "unconventional" in 2008 and electorally speaking, it didn't get us very far.

 

[sailingaway]

They call it political science for a reason. The fundamentals of economics hold true regardless of what country you are in. The science of winning a campaign holds true regardless of the candidate.


But those people by and large don't vote. And if they do vote, it isn't usually in a Republican primary. We must go after the low hanging fruit first, which means likely Republican voters.

We did "unconventional" in 2008 and electorally speaking, it didn't get us very far.

Matt, pardon me for saying so, but you are not the only person on the site with a Poli Sci degree, and personally, I think the idea that it is 'science' is absolute bullshit from back in the day when sociology was also 'science' because 'science' was the buzzword of the era. What there is, instead of science, is 'conventional wisdom' and 'organized analysis' backed by studies.

How many times have we read the media comment on how Ron's followers largely 'have never been engaged in politics before....' If that is the majority of the people he attracts, we have to find a way to get the attention of people not yet engaged in politics. And in the United States, that is a huge segment of the population. We ALSO have to use conventional methods.

However, I'm going to drop the topic. I don't have a stake in convincing you, I just feel badly when someone rains on other people's enthusiasm.

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt, pardon me for saying so, but you are not the only person on the site with a Poli Sci degree,

Actually I don't have one. There are many days I wish I did, and there are many days that I'm glad I don't.

and personally, I think the idea that it is 'science' is absolute bullshit from back in the day when sociology was also 'science' because 'science' was the buzzword of the era. What there is, instead of science, is 'conventional wisdom' and 'organized analysis' backed by studies.

Organized analysis IS science. Every field of study is essentially either an art, or a science. Science of course means quantification.

How many times have we read the media comment on how Ron's followers largely 'have never been engaged in politics before....' If that is the majority of the people he attracts, we have to find a way to get the attention of people not yet engaged in politics. And in the United States, that is a huge segment of the population. We ALSO have to use conventional methods.

Most voters have never been engaged in politics before either.

It's marketing 101. When you have a business it's easier to retain the customers you have than it is to go attract new customers.

Same thing here.

It's easier to flip existing likely Republican primary voters than it is to get uninterested people to become likely Republican voters. It's all about inertia.

I just feel badly when someone rains on other people's enthusiasm.

I understand and I'm not trying to do that, although I realize I sometimes come off a bit harsh, but I want people to put their time, money, and talent into actions that are productive and effective. I don't want them to waste it on things that either won't work, or will not maximize results. Not giving our best effort this time around, which means doing what it takes to win, would be a tragedy of epic proportions.

 

[Matt Collins]

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http://ronpaultrainer.blogspot.com/2011/04/introduction-to-campaigning-for-ron.html

Campaigning for Ron Paul 2012


So, do you want to be involved to some degree in the upcoming Ron Paul campaign?
If so, here are the basics that you need to learn and don't skip the 6 Essential Rules
of campaigning at the bottom of this note.



1. This campaign will not be won on facebook, gasp!
You will need to get involved with your local Republican party, another gasp!
After all, you will be campaigning first for the Republican nomination. Hence,
you will need to convince actual blue haired old ladies, who only watch Fox News,
that they should vote for the Champion of the Constitution. Yes, it can be done.



2. Find or start your local Meetup group for Ron Paul.
Go explore here: http://www.meetup.com/
(Careful, there might be several groups--some defunct.)



Events

I won't bore you too much in this note, but there are 3 major events you need to plan for.
They involve traveling to Iowa and maybe even New Hampshire. While you probably won't
be able to vote for Dr. Paul at these events. The friends you will meet and the lessons you
will learn about campaigning will change your life. If you plan now, you can ask off work
and adjust your schedule. Don't worry about food and lodging--there will be so many
projects for funding all of that.



Make plans now to attend the Iowa Straw Poll this coming August 13th.

August 13, 2011 - Ames, IA
Ames Straw Poll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames_Straw_Poll



Later your help will be put into practice during the Iowa Caucus in January? of 2012 or
in New Hampshire. If you are serious about this, just plan now to spend Christmas in
Iowa or New Hampshire.



Okay, here's the important part. The key to being a good campaigner for a political
candidate involves cultivating a basic understanding of marketing and sales. By the way,
it is possible to keep your moral integrity through this process--but it is a tricky, no doubt.
You should never lie and misrepresent the truth--but this doesn't mean you bury your head
in the sand and not learn how TO SELL.



Canvassing is the process by which you interact with an individual, qualify that they are
a likely voter and persuade them to support the candidate you are representing.
The overarching principle to learn is to never show your cards before they show
you their cards. You need to know how to best approach each individual you speak with.



Here are 6 rules to guide you when selling your candidate:

1. Don't make your issue their issue.
2. Don't get into debates.
3. Don't go down rabbit holes.
4. Don't be afraid to say, "I don't know."
5. Don't trash-talk other candidates.
6. When you make a sale, stop selling.

I could write a couple paragraphs on each of these points, but I'll leave it at this for now...
And, wow, number 4 is profound! I'm considering adding a final step of "asking for a
commitment." If you've sold someone on your idea or candidate, you need to involve them
in an action that they can take to fulfill their verbal commitment.
This list was inspired by a video about campaigning for Ron Paul found here:

http://youtu.be/Ib1EEFzRqW4

That's all for tonight.

Aaron
Contact him here: [email protected]