Who would you prefer to win LP nomination?

[Kludge]

How about a GP/CP/LP coalition? left/right/center coalition i'll call it

There's a reason there are three parties - they have irreconcilable differences. I would never vote for a GP member and probably not any CP members unless they had a shot at winning.

The only thing the three have in common is that all rights derive from property, and the GP - occasionally the CP even - have platforms that overstep government's inherent authority, which is only to protect against the loss of protection due to aggression.

 

[paulaholic]

I don't know what you are talking about.
Appearances ?
The guy looks normal to me.

All the same guy on different days.
Appearances can be deceptive, and should not be used to judge character.

I wasn't talking solely about his appearance, but rather his issue statements in conjunction with the nutty photos.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

There's a reason there are three parties - they have irreconcilable differences. I would never vote for a GP member and probably not any CP members unless they had a shot at winning.

The only thing the three have in common is that all rights derive from property, and the GP - occasionally the CP even - have platforms that overstep government's inherent authority, which is only to protect against the loss of protection due to aggression.

I guess you're not familar with party coalitions, huh?

 

[Kludge]

I guess you're not familar with party coalitions, huh?

Sure I am. I was involved with Michigan Third Parties Coalition for a while. However, I see no benefits from forming a coalition with the aforementioned parties - what is sought to be accomplished?

I think it'd be more beneficial just to have the CP and various reform/taxpayer parties join into the much larger LP.

 

[dvdrink]

Jesse "The Libertarian" Ventura

 

[nate895]

Chuck Baldwin is a Ron Paul clone. If you disagree with Baldwin enough to pick someone like Barr over him, you need to ask yourself if you truly support Ron Paul.

 

[Kludge]

Chuck Baldwin is a Ron Paul clone. If you disagree with Baldwin enough to pick someone like Barr over him, you need to ask yourself if you truly support Ron Paul.

I support Ruwart over Baldwin. Third party candidates are only a spokesperson for the party's ideas, and for me - Ruwart is a nearly flawless speaker-on-my-behalf.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I support Ruwart over Baldwin. Third party candidates are only a spokesperson for the party's ideas, and for me - Ruwart is a nearly flawless speaker-on-my-behalf.

her answer to animal abuse:

"I certainly would want to live in a society where animals were not mistreated. In a libertarian society, a person who abused their animals would most likely be visited by concerned neighbors. If the abuser showed no remorse, the neighbors might ostracize the abuser, refusing to associate or do business with him or her.

"If the abuse continued, the neighbors might attempt to rescue the suffering animals. If the abuser sued, a libertarian jury would have to decide if he or she was due compensation.

"If compensation was awarded to the abuser, the rescuers might gladly pay it as a cost of saving the animals. Such compensation might allow the abuser to save face, but the public exposure would likely dissuade him or her from purchasing more animals to abuse.

"Animals 'rights' might evolve in a libertarian society through the failure of juries to award abusers compensation for the rescued animals. Failure to award compensation would essentially be a verdict of 'not property.' Prior to the Civil War, juries acknowledged rights of escaped slaves by returning a verdict of 'not guilty' when they or their rescuers were captured.

That sounds like an anarchocapitalist argument. I wonder if she's really an ancap. Just tell her to not campaign on this issue by saying she will do nothing lol

 

[Kludge]

I certainly would want to live in a society where animals were not mistreated. In a libertarian society, a person who abused their animals would most likely be visited by concerned neighbors. If the abuser showed no remorse, the neighbors might ostracize the abuser, refusing to associate or do business with him or her.

That sounds like an anarchocapitalist argument. I wonder if she's really an ancap.

*shrug* That's the argument I'd make. Animals have no rights as they are property and all rights stem from property.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

*shrug* That's the argument I'd make. Animals have no rights as they are property and all rights stem from property.

You can't make an argument like that to voters that aren't in the LP.

She supports the death penalty ew

 

[Kludge]

You can't make an argument like that to voters that aren't in the LP.

She supports the death penalty ew

"I suspect that we have a misunderstanding rather than a disagreement.

"You are correct in pointing out that the state cannot take possession of another's life. However, the victim(s) of an aggressor might be able to lay claim to that aggressor's life as compensation for injury.

"For example, a child is tortured and murdered by an assailant, who shows no sign of repentance and is suspected to have committed such atrocities previously. In most libertarian societies, the parents would want the aggressor imprisoned indefinitely, in addition to any monetary compensation that they might request.

"However, if the parents felt that they would only find solace in the murderer's death, a libertarian court might decide that the parents (not the state) do have a right to the killer's life as compensation for their child's murder. If the state actually handled the execution, it would be acting only as an agent for the parents.

"That's just one theory. As you note, libertarians do indeed disagree over such questions regarding capital punishment."" - Ruwart

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

So? Capital punishment is never necessary!

 

[Kludge]

So? Capital punishment is never necessary!

Neither is fining the person, sending them to prison or otherwise punishing them.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Neither is fining the person, sending them to prison or otherwise punishing them.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Us anarchists can eradicate capital punishment legitimately, effectively ending one of most brutal actions carried out by statism.

 

[Kludge]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

o.0 Then how do you propose lawbreakers are dealt with?

 

[Richie]

I'm with Brent. Even though I've been a strong supporter of Barr in the past (he's starting to grow on me in a bad way, though) and still am one, he isn't even in right now - so Ruwart it is.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

o.0 Then how do you propose lawbreakers are dealt with?

Well, we can only repeal the laws that the people will tolerate. Public is ready to eradicate capital punishment entirely (milestone) but not ready to eliminate the penal system. One step at a time. I think the system should be reformed though. We should look at nations with the least amount of crime and study their systems and maybe adopt some reforms in the US.

 

[nate895]

Well, we can only repeal the laws that the people will tolerate. Public is ready to eradicate capital punishment entirely (milestone) but not ready to eliminate the penal system. One step at a time. I think the system should be reformed though. We should look at nations with the least amount of crime and study their systems and maybe adopt some reforms in the US.

Ultimately eradicate the penal system? Have you lost your mind?

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Ultimately eradicate the penal system? Have you lost your mind?

Wouldn't a self-governing society be ideal? I hope overcrowded prisons is not the utopia you envision.

 

[Kludge]

Wouldn't a self-governing society be ideal? I hope overcrowded prisons is not the utopia you envision.

I don't envision a self-governing society - wait.... Weren't you just associating Ruwart to anarcho-capitalism negatively???

I'm a.... "minarcho-capitalist", believing government only has the right to protect against direct aggression towards property (and punish those who violate the sacred right of property) - funded primarily by donations.