Who was right? George Orwell and his '1984' or Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World'?

Just like our economic and political systems have fused into horrendous marriage of the very worst aspects of both facism and communism, I would say the dystopic worlds of Huxley and Orwell both represent quite a bit of what is wrong right now.
 
Brave New World. We allow our bullshit (Reality TV, American Idol) to sink us into apathy. People don't even know they're enslaved.
 
Brave New World was the strategy, 1984 is the goal.

i very much agree with this statement. but i would also say the tactics mentioned in both books are being used. the tactics boil down to creating, incubating and perpetuating fear and hatred.

ultimately, the majority of characters in both books were willing slaves to a central authority in return for relative comfort and security. all much too familiar.
 
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1984 v. Brave New World

1984 v. Brave New World

Letters Of Note
Thursday, March 8, 2012


In October of 1949, a few months after the release of George Orwell‘sdystopian masterpiece, Nineteen Eighty-Four, he received a fascinating letter from fellow author Aldous Huxley — a man who, 17 years previous, had seen his own nightmarish vision of society published, in the form of Brave New World. What begins as a letter of praise soon becomes a brief comparison of the two novels, and an explanation as to why Huxley believes his own, earlier work to be a more realistic prediction.

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Fantastic.

Trivia: In 1917, long before he wrote this letter, Aldous Huxley briefly taught Orwell French at Eton.

(Source: Letters of Aldous Huxley; Image: George Orwell (via) & Aldous Huxley (via).)


Wrightwood. Cal.
21 October, 1949

Dear Mr. Orwell,

It was very kind of you to tell your publishers to send me a copy of your book. It arrived as I was in the midst of a piece of work that required much reading and consulting of references; and since poor sight makes it necessary for me to ration my reading, I had to wait a long time before being able to embark on Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is. May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual’s psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud’s inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

Thank you once again for the book.

Yours sincerely,

Aldous Huxley


article here:
http://www.infowars.com/1984-v-brave-new-world/

originally here:
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/1984-v-brave-new-world.html
 
Writers quarrel, lol.

I believe we can see a mix of both around us. I don't think that one is necessarily superior to the other in controlling masses, but rather individuals repsond differently to each, thus the need for at least partial application of each.
 
Sounds like he understood the future to be a mix of MKUltra-type control and straight jack-booted thuggery.

Which kind of sounds like what we have, doesn't it?
 
I've read these. They're are the end of "Brave New World-Revisited", or at least the copy I have.

I have to say I disagree with Huxley on one thing. I don't think its an either/or scenario. The regimes are rising to power on the threat of violence, with violence being their primary language AND the masses are drugged for every reason possible. I'd throw in that Fahrenheit 451 as also being accurate as the media is lulling the masses into idiocy with feeding a steady diet of entertainment to distract from the bitter after taste.
 
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Sounds like he understood the future to be a mix of MKUltra-type control and straight jack-booted thuggery.

Which kind of sounds like what we have, doesn't it?
He and Orwell both got the concept for their respective novels from "We", which was based on the reality of Soviet Socialist statism. It isn't a magic prediction-it's documented history repeating itself in rhyme here in the "free" world.

ETA: IMO, "We" gives a more accurate portrayal of life in the future (it was written in the 30s) than 1984. (I haven't read BNW yet, so can't speak about very intelligently)
 
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I've always felt like 1984 was the Prequel to Brave New World...

I tend to think it's the other way around. I think we're currently in the Brave New World stage. Look how easy life is for most Americans, the constant eating, drinking and entertainment they enjoy, not to mention all the prescription drugs. Meanwhile, the government takes half of everything away from the productive, and only a small percentage of the population complains.
 
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