Who plans on joining the Free State Project in New Hampshire this year?

[MelissaWV]

Believe it or not, but there are those of us that believe having a gun pointed in your face to take your money is called theft, and not taxes.

I'm not alone in this matter.

1. You are making it sound as if you don't have that happen in NH. You do. In fact, you do to a greater extent than I do here.
2. You are making it sound like those of us who don't join the FSP are pro-taxation. This makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[TheTexan]

1. You are making it sound as if you don't have that happen in NH. You do. In fact, you do to a greater extent than I do here.
2. You are making it sound like those of us who don't join the FSP are pro-taxation. This makes absolutely zero sense.

Ugh, you continue to make no sense whatsoever in your responses. I'm no longer replying to you either. You win. I give up.

 

[Keith and stuff]

You would think I'd know better after so many years of these threads, but they look so honest and inviting at first. Some folks do want to join the FSP and they do, and they love it, and that's great. Maybe someday you guys really will win over the Masshole invasion, drive them back, or perhaps secession is in the future. But for the life of me I can't understand the venom, name-calling, and general asshattery that is directed at people who have reasons NOT to join.

Sorry, but it has been shown that the majority of the people that move from MA to NH do so for good reasons that we like. There is no reason to bring up that myth when it has been shown over and over again that it is false. As for driving people back, that has happened a little. For example, a statist lady that wrote a few absurd Counter Punch articles about the FSP, the founder and what we are doing in NH did move away from NH. She moved from NY to NH with her husband. They spread nasty lies about some pro-liberty local politicians. Eventually, they gave up and moved back to NY.

Here is one of the articles she wrote while she lived in NH.
April 27, 2009
"Anarcho Capitalists" Backed by $25 Billion Corporate Giant
The Far Right’s Plot to Capture New Hampshire
by PAM MARTENS

Unfortunately, even though she left NH to get away from freedom, she still is writing absurd nonsense.

February 27, 2012
Alan Greenspan’s Cult Years and the Corporate Money Planning for a New Cult Today
Ayn Rand: the Tea Party’s Miscast Matriarch
by PAM MARTENS

You can understand why I am skeptical that the Ayn Rand craze is a naturally occurring phenomenon. But then, I have the benefit of recently living for five years in New Hampshire with the Objectivists of the Free State Project, a group whose stated goal is to infuse 20,000 hyperactive political operatives into the state and take over government, gut public education and all regulations on business. This outfit seemed grassroots too – until I traced the funding of their founder, Jason Sorens, to Koch foundation largesse.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Hah Hah.

Good place for her, hope she stays there.

Sorry, but it has been shown that the majority of the people that move from MA to NH do so for good reasons that we like. There is no reason to bring up that myth when it has been shown over and over again that it is false. As for driving people back, that has happened a little. For example, a statist lady that wrote a few absurd Counter Punch articles about the FSP, the founder and what we are doing in NH did move away from NH. She moved from NY to NH with her husband. They spread nasty lies about some pro-liberty local politicians. Eventually, they gave up and moved back to NY.

Here is one of the articles she wrote while she lived in NH.
April 27, 2009
"Anarcho Capitalists" Backed by $25 Billion Corporate Giant
The Far Right’s Plot to Capture New Hampshire
by PAM MARTENS

Unfortunately, even though she left NH to get away from freedom, she still is writing absurd nonsense.

February 27, 2012
Alan Greenspan’s Cult Years and the Corporate Money Planning for a New Cult Today
Ayn Rand: the Tea Party’s Miscast Matriarch
by PAM MARTENS

 

[Anti Federalist]

Jebus, this is still going on?

Listen, those of you who want to, c'mon up, the more liberty minded, politically active people the better.

There are a lot of positives to making the move.

If you do not, for whatever reason, fine.

Stay as active as can locally.

 

[MelissaWV]

Jebus, this is still going on?

Listen, those of you who want to, c'mon up, the more liberty minded, politically active people the better.

There are a lot of positives to making the move.

If you do not, for whatever reason, fine.

Stay as active as can locally.

Good stuff

 

[Noble Savage]

learn to be free in your own pants and it wont matter where your standing

 

[muzzled dogg]

You would think I'd know better after so many years of these threads, but they look so honest and inviting at first. Some folks do want to join the FSP and they do, and they love it, and that's great. Maybe someday you guys really will win over the Masshole invasion, drive them back, or perhaps secession is in the future. But for the life of me I can't understand the venom, name-calling, and general asshattery that is directed at people who have reasons NOT to join.

Re: masshole invasion

My gf and I moved from ma to nh. We're the types who are moving up

All our [statist] ma friends think we're crazy

But its much easier to win state congressional majority / governor than to win Ron Paul presidency

In the meantime we get all the benefits nh already has to offer

 

[Anti Federalist]

Re: masshole invasion

My gf and I moved from ma to nh. We're the types who are moving up

All our [statist] ma friends think we're crazy

But its much easier to win state congressional majority / governor than to win Ron Paul presidency

In the meantime we get all the benefits nh already has to offer

Glad you're here.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Glad you're here.

I noticed that there are a ridiculous amount of posters on RonPaulForums that live in NH. NH might be the most represented state around here per capita. If this website is still popular 4 years from now, we might even be the most represented around here by total numbers. I guess it depends how many people follow shemdogg's lead.

 

[osan]

So. Who plans on moving to New Hampshire this year?

I signed up in 99, as I recall... or maybe 2000? Career, such as it has been, took me all over the USA. I have now lived in 12 states, currently in WV and would go to NH save for one thing: no money. What does one do when they have been wiped out economically by the systematic ruination of a once great nation of seemingly unlimited opportunity and in which one once did very well?

Oddly, and as much as we do not want to leave WV, the only reasonable opportunity for climbing out of this hole in which we find ourselves is for the wife to move to Houston; not the direction in which I'd intended, but there appears no opportunities elsewhere on the horizon. I found a very nice 316 acre farm in NH that I would love to buy, but without work I may as well look to buy the moon. So if anyone has any ideas, write a book and become wealthy.

Until such time as I gain market value, which at present appears to be zero or less, NH remains a pipe dream.

Sorry to sound like such a downer.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I noticed that there are a ridiculous amount of posters on RonPaulForums that live in NH. NH might be the most represented state around here per capita. If this website is still popular 4 years from now, we might even be the most represented around here by total numbers. I guess it depends how many people follow shemdogg's lead.

What's encouraging also is that I know of at least 10 RPF people that have made just in the time that I've been on the forums.

That's just within our merry little band of refuseniks.

Total numbers are higher, I'm sure.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I signed up in 99, as I recall... or maybe 2000? Career, such as it has been, took me all over the USA. I have now lived in 12 states, currently in WV and would go to NH save for one thing: no money. What does one do when they have been wiped out economically by the systematic ruination of a once great nation of seemingly unlimited opportunity and in which one once did very well?

Oddly, and as much as we do not want to leave WV, the only reasonable opportunity for climbing out of this hole in which we find ourselves is for the wife to move to Houston; not the direction in which I'd intended, but there appears no opportunities elsewhere on the horizon. I found a very nice 316 acre farm in NH that I would love to buy, but without work I may as well look to buy the moon. So if anyone has any ideas, write a book and become wealthy.

Until such time as I gain market value, which at present appears to be zero or less, NH remains a pipe dream.

Sorry to sound like such a downer.

Times are tough all over, and middle class job opportunities have indeed dried up, for all the reasons we've talked about before.

What do you do, what can you do and what are you willing to do?

I might have some options.

PM me if you want.

 

[Crotale]

Define freedom and your plan to "take freedom for ourselves". If you feel there is a 90/10 ratio against freedom, what makes you believe that having 20,000 people in NH (1.5% of the state's population) is going to make a significant difference? How do you see one's life being significantly different on a day to day basis if you accomplish your goal?

You are forgetting the legendary quote: "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."

That is what the Free State Project is trying to achieve.

It's not 20,000 people. It's 20,000 activists. Those that are moving are working together to actively shape the political landscape for freedom. One activist is worth a hundred apolitical, apathetic, disinterested citizens. When actvists pool together, they can achieve a hell of a lot more. The FSP have made an impact with only 1,000 activists moving, so to think that 20k activists isn't much then you're majorly underestimating the power of activism. That would mean regular liberty events, rallies, festivals, campaigns, protests, boycotts, fundraisers, etc. with constistently thousands of activists participating. Of course, such widespread activism will wake many apathetic people up to our philosophy of peace and freedom, thus growing the numbers in the process.

To give you an idea of scale, 20,000 activists is double the attendence at the Rally for the Republic. That's twice the amount of activists at the rally all working together to actively promote the message of liberty. Now that's a force for good.

 

[Crotale]

You are putting all of your eggs in one basket.

I fail to see how the FSP is putting all of the eggs in one basket. Please clarify what you mean by that.

 

[MelissaWV]

I fail to see how the FSP is putting all of the eggs in one basket. Please clarify what you mean by that.

I did various pages ago, after someone accused me of some FEMA-camp conspiracy that I never espoused.

A state was picked, an effort is being put forth, and we're all being encouraged to go. And if it fails, it fails spectacularly, or if those moving/vacationing from neighboring, highly-establishment areas show up to stake claims... it all goes to shit. Yes, I know someone told me a couple of pages ago that liberals from Massachusetts are not moving into NH, just before they told me that there are great strides being made to compensate for those same people that aren't coming.

If you focus all your resources, all your people, all your economics, all your talent, all your time, on one area and it fails, then there will be a far bigger issue than if people work within their own communities whenever possible to make where they live a better place.

It is an observation.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I did various pages ago, after someone accused me of some FEMA-camp conspiracy that I never espoused.

A state was picked, an effort is being put forth, and we're all being encouraged to go. And if it fails, it fails spectacularly, or if those moving/vacationing from neighboring, highly-establishment areas show up to stake claims... it all goes to shit. Yes, I know someone told me a couple of pages ago that liberals from Massachusetts are not moving into NH, just before they told me that there are great strides being made to compensate for those same people that aren't coming.

If you focus all your resources, all your people, all your economics, all your talent, all your time, on one area and it fails, then there will be a far bigger issue than if people work within their own communities whenever possible to make where they live a better place.

It is an observation.

Meh, different tools.

12 gauge scattergun vs. .308 rifle.

 

[Crotale]

If you focus all your resources, all your people, all your economics, all your talent, all your time, on one area and it fails, then there will be a far bigger issue than if people work within their own communities whenever possible to make where they live a better place.

If you focus all your resources, all your people, all your economics, all your talent, all your time, on one area I can't see how it can fail.

It's certainly more effective than being spread out all over the place overwhelmed by statists. The FSP will bring together a real large, cohesive and efficient concentration of activists to work together to achieve REAL change.

 

[Crotale]

Meh, different tools.

12 gauge scattergun vs. .308 rifle.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Re: masshole invasion

My gf and I moved from ma to nh. We're the types who are moving up

All our [statist] ma friends think we're crazy

That makes sense. Since moving to NH, I've noticed many dozens of issues where some Democrats/statists in MA freak out about some liberty bill or another in NH. The comments to the articles are almost always overwhelmingly against freedom/NH. The statists hear/read about these bills and they think to themselves how horrible NH is and how they don't want to live there. The more progress we make in NH, the more of these bills will be proposed. The more of these bills that are proposed, the more the statists will want to not move to NH.

I wouldn't even mind if some of the statists in left NH and moved somewhere more like their imagined paradise (any of the other states.) There is already a project for them, the Free Lunch Project. http://freelunchproject.com/


Here are a few examples.

December 19, 2011
N.H. lawmakers propose border signs on all roads
By Jo-Anne MacKenzie [email protected]
http://www.eagletribune.com/latestnews/x1759192465/YOU-ARE-ABOUT-TO-ENTER-MASSACHUSETTS

Six GOP lawmakers want the Department of Transportation to erect signs along every unmarked road leading from New Hampshire into Massachusetts, stating: "Warning: Massachusetts Border 500 Feet."

The signs would be sponsored by businesses who want to help protect their customers from unwittingly breaking the law because they aren't aware what state they are in, several of the sponsors said.

New Hampshire's strange cigarette-tax argument
E-mail | Print | Comments (3) Posted by Jesse Singal March 18, 2011 02:42 PM
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/blogs/the_angle/2011/03/new_hampshires.html

But if anyone thinks I'm missing something and am wrong about this — particularly smokers who live near the border — I'd be curious to hear their take, and would encourage them to sound off in comments.

NH House approves allowing guns on campus
By Norma Love
Associated Press / January 4, 2012
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...04/nh_house_approves_allowing_guns_on_campus/

Opponents argued Wednesday that allowing guns on campuses, in classrooms and in state-owned buildings is dangerous.

State Rep. Stephen Shurtleff, D-Concord, said the bill would mean people could bring guns into the Verizon Wireless Arena and Fisher Cats baseball stadium in Manchester. The arena is the site of concerts, hockey games and other events.

"Imagine if there is a hip-hop concert at the Verizon arena," he said.

Seat belt battle goes on in N.H.
Holdout state weighs new bill
April 21, 2009|Norma Love, Associated Press
http://articles.boston.com/2009-04-21/news/29255024_1_seat-belt-new-hampshire-senate-committee

January 3, 2012
N.H. battle lines drawn over new gun laws
By John Toole [email protected]
http://www.eagletribune.com/latestnews/x1477838843/N-H-battle-lines-drawn-over-new-gun-laws

"This would dramatically increase risks for accidental discharge," the governor's office said.

NH legislator drops gun before safety meeting
By Associated Press
Tuesday, March 20, 2012
http://bostonherald.com/news/nation...nh_legislator_drops_gun_before_safety_meeting

A fellow committee member says Northwood Republican Rep. Kyle Tasker dropped the gun in the legislative office building on Tuesday before attending a meeting of the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety committee. Sanbornton Republican Rep. Dennis Fields says he saw it.

We're talking about: Gun laws protest at Plymouth State
Updated: Friday, 09 Dec 2011, 6:55 PM EST
Published : Friday, 09 Dec 2011, 6:55 PM EST
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news...:-gun-laws-protest-at-plymouth-state-20111209

NH implements new welfare limits for disabled
Posted: 02/19/12 at 3:50 pm
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/...h-implements-new-welfare-limits-for-disabled/

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- More than 1,100 New Hampshire families are losing state welfare assistance because they already get federal assistance for being disabled.

NH lawmaker suggests sending disabled ‘to Siberia’
By Associated Press
Thursday, March 10, 2011
http://bostonherald.com/news/nation...lawmaker_suggests_sending_disabled_to_siberia

CONCORD, N.H. — A 91-year-old freshman Republican state lawmaker suggested New Hampshire’s mentally disabled should be shipped to Siberia and said he is unapologetic about the comment.

NH House passes birth control exemption
By Norma Love
Associated Press / March 7, 2012
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...3/07/nh_house_passes_birth_control_exemption/

CONCORD, N.H.—While the issue of birth control coverage plays out nationally, New Hampshire's Republican-controlled House voted Wednesday to allow employers with religious objections to exclude contraceptive coverage from their health plans.

NH lawmakers question Obama ballot status
By Associated Press
Tuesday, January 3, 2012
http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120103nh_lawmakers_question_obama_ballot_status

State Rep. Laurence Rappaport, a Colebook Republican, said they asked the attorney general Tuesday morning to investigate, but have gotten no response. Rappaport said the issue is whether Obama is a natural-born citizen whose parents both were American citizens. He said Obama’s father was Kenyan and not a citizen, so Obama is not and should not be on the ballot.

NH proposal would make some TSA exams a crime
Posted: 03/01/11 at 7:35 pm Updated: 03/01/11 at 8:06 pm
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/...h-proposal-would-make-some-tsa-exams-a-crime/

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- A new proposal in New Hampshire would make some controversial TSA security exams a crime.

Slew of troubles for N.H. unions
Bills take aim at bargaining rights
By Garrett Brnger
January 30, 2012
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...-for-unions/cBdQA3S8cfvI2jzmk4PlxM/story.html

Bill prohibits NH from creating health exchange
March 8, 2012
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...l_prohibits_nh_from_creating_health_exchange/

NH bill bars contracts with abortion providers
January 18, 2012
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...h_bill_bars_insurance_coverage_for_abortions/

GOP leaders hail gun OK in N.H. capitol
By Sarah Schweitzer
Globe Staff / January 12, 2011
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne.../01/12/gop_leaders_hail_gun_ok_in_nh_capitol/

In Massachusetts, only law enforcement officials may carry guns in the State House.