Who has caught the flu, and did you get the flu vaccine?

[Zippyjuan]

Did you read a $#@!ing word I wrote?

Like this part:

but they can still spread (shed) the damn virus to others!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/

Does Influenza Transmission Occur from Asymptomatic Infection or Prior to Symptom Onset?

A better understanding of transmission dynamics is essential in influenza pandemic planning. If a substantial proportion of transmission were to occur during the presymptomatic phase or from asymptomatic individuals, then infection control measures such as contact tracing and quarantine of exposures will be of limited value, in addition to constraints based on the short serial interval for influenza transmission. However, we have found limited evidence to suggest the importance of such transmission. The role of asymptomatic or presymptomatic influenza-infected individuals in disease transmission may have been overestimated in recent articles dealing with pandemic planning

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Like this part:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/

Once again, you are not addressing anything I said. But that is standard procedure with you, isn't it? Quote something tangential, usually with a chart, and pretend like you know what you are talking about.

I was not talking about either shedding from vaccines (as you posted before) or pre-symptomatic contagiousness (as you just posted). The article you posted is simply opinion on how soon someone becomes contagious after being exposed. Neither is applicable to what I said.

Two strikes. You better do another Google search and post another article.

 

[follybind]

No flu, never had vaccine.

 

[angelatc]

It's that time of year again. Who has caught the flu, and did you get the flu vaccine?

15 -20 years ago:

2 - caught flu, no vaccine.


About died.

 

[angelatc]

And let me rant a bit about these damn vaccines. They are making these flu outbreaks worse. .

Citation?

 

[TheCount]

Vaccine, no flu.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Citation?

That would be a positive effect of flu vaccines. That is why they have emphasized flu vaccines for the vulnerable, especially the elderly.

But the effect I am talking about (flu transmission) would not be tracked by mortality rates. Obviously, mortality rates are the most consistent and thorough statistic available, but tracking of the number of flu cases per year is inconsistent and problematic, for a variety of reasons. The majority of flus are not reported. Only complications requiring hospitalization and deaths are consistently tracked.

 

[angelatc]

That would be a positive effect of flu vaccines. That is why they have emphasized flu vaccines for the vulnerable, especially the elderly.

But the effect I am talking about (flu transmission) would not be tracked by mortality rates. Obviously, mortality rates are the most consistent and thorough statistic available, but tracking of the number of flu cases per year is inconsistent and problematic, for a variety of reasons. The majority of flus are not reported. Only complications requiring hospitalization and deaths are consistently tracked.

Citation?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Citation?

Citation for what?

 

[Feelgood]

No flu.
No vaccine.

As I understand enough about the flu to know that vaccines do not work, I prefer not to risk my life getting a vaccine that will have no affect other than to kill me.

The flu virus is always changing and is never the same. It changes constantly and youll never get the same strain twice. It replicates at the RNA level, and each time it is passed, it is altered. Flu vaccines are grown and developed in egg whites and based on last years strains. Those strains are already obsolete by the time you get that shot. So why bother? It will not help you.

 

[Zippyjuan]

No flu.
No vaccine.

As I understand enough about the flu to know that vaccines do not work, I prefer not to risk my life getting a vaccine that will have no affect other than to kill me.

The flu virus is always changing and is never the same. It changes constantly and youll never get the same strain twice. It replicates at the RNA level, and each time it is passed, it is altered. Flu vaccines are grown and developed in egg whites and based on last years strains. Those strains are already obsolete by the time you get that shot. So why bother? It will not help you.

You life is at risk? How many have died as a direct result of being vaccinated?

You are right that the flu vaccine targets the strains which were most common last year and won't cover you against any other types of flu. It does not guarantee you won't get sick.

 

[euphemia]

My doctor makes me get a flu shot because of my asthma and the fact that I used to work in a place where exposure was high. I may not have to have one next season because I won't be in that kind of environment.

I've never had the flu.

 

[Feelgood]

You life is at risk? How many have died as a direct result of being vaccinated?

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/27/science/sci-swine-history27

More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died.

I can find more if you like? Even if there is only a 1% chance of it killing me, that it far greater than a risk if I never got the vaccine.

 

[TheTexan]

Well it's kinda comparing apples and oranges.

People who get the vaccine are usually normal, well balanced individuals who participate in society and have a life, and thus are more likely to get exposed to the flu than the weird type of people who refuse to get vaccines

 

[Zippyjuan]

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/27/science/sci-swine-history27



I can find more if you like? Even if there is only a 1% chance of it killing me, that it far greater than a risk if I never got the vaccine.

Note the wording. "are thought to have" come down with

More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died. No one completely understands the causes of Guillain-Barre, but the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination.

Correlation is not necessarily causation. Also note the second line you left off.

the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination.

Getting the flu for certain people can be enough to trigger it. Any source of infection in the body. And a further note- that was out of 40 million vaccinated. Guillain Barre Syndrome effects about one in 100,000 people.

Waiting in long lines at schools and clinics, more than 40 million Americans -- almost 25% of the population -- received the swine flu vaccine before the program was halted in December after 10 weeks.

Since then, billions of flu (and other vaccines) have been administered.

What is Guillain-Barré syndrome?

Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) is a disorder in which the body's immune system attacks part of the peripheral nervous system. The first symptoms of this disorder include varying degrees of weakness or tingling sensations in the legs. In many instances the symmetrical weakness and abnormal sensations spread to the arms and upper body. These symptoms can increase in intensity until certain muscles cannot be used at all and, when severe, the person is almost totally paralyzed. In these cases the disorder is life threatening - potentially interfering with breathing and, at times, with blood pressure or heart rate - and is considered a medical emergency. Such an individual is often put on a ventilator to assist with breathing and is watched closely for problems such as an abnormal heart beat, infections, blood clots, and high or low blood pressure. Most individuals, however, have good recovery from even the most severe cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, although some continue to have a certain degree of weakness.

Guillain-Barré syndrome can affect anybody. It can strike at any age and both sexes are equally prone to the disorder. The syndrome is rare, however, afflicting only about one person in 100,000. Usually Guillain-Barré occurs a few days or weeks after the patient has had symptoms of a respiratory or gastrointestinal viral infection. Occasionally surgery will trigger the syndrome. Recently, some countries worldwide have reported an increased incidence of GBS following infection with the Zika virus. In rare instances vaccinations may increase the risk of GBS.

After the first clinical manifestations of the disease, the symptoms can progress over the course of hours, days, or weeks. Most people reach the stage of greatest weakness within the first 2 weeks after symptoms appear, and by the third week of the illness 90 percent of all patients are at their weakest.

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders...act-Sheets/Guillain-Barré-Syndrome-Fact-Sheet

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Seasonal Flu Reaches Epidemic Levels in US
By GILLIAN MOHNEY - Jan 27, 2017

Cases of the seasonal flu have reached epidemic levels, according to a report released today by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/seasonal-flu-reaches-epidemic-levels-us/story?id=45093961

 

[donnay]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/seasonal-flu-reaches-epidemic-levels-us/story?id=45093961

SOS different year.

 

[Feelgood]

People who get the vaccine are usually normal, well balanced individuals who participate in society and have a life, and thus are more likely to get exposed to the flu than the weird type of people who refuse to get vaccines

I am a normal well balanced individual that participates in society and has a life, and am probably exposed to the flu regularly, but have not had it and have never had a vaccine. If choosing not to have foreign material injected into my body that will help me in no way whatsoever, but has a remote chance of killing me or causing a physical impairment makes me weird? I am happy to be the only happy healthy and alive weird person here. No flu vaccine for me.

While I have no way to verify information, about the escalation of flu outbreaks, from a government that surely would never lie to us, I will still stand by my previous statements, that injecting a flu vaccine based off a flu from the previous year that will not help you in any way shape or form (other than making you feel good about yourself like you did as you were told) is just a demonstrably bad idea IMHO.

You go right ahead and line up for your shots. Me, nope.

 

[Suzanimal]

No vaccine/No flu.

I got a nasty cold, though.